I visited the Yellowstone Zone of Death
čas přidán 17. 07. 2022
I feel like there are other CS-tv channels that would take a different approach here. ▪ With thanks to Professor Brian Kalt: his original article is here: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c... -- any inaccuracies that have slipped in are mine alone, and this is, obviously, not legal advice!
To save you doing the research, my location while recording this was approximately 44.14 N, 111.05 W. I got three mosquito bites in under thirty minutes, including one on my hand.
(And the credits for this one are very old-school, so I'm adding a slightly self-aggrandising note here: I did everything for this video! The camera, the editing, the sound mix, the graphics. It's good to know I can still do that occasionally!)
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To save you doing the research, my location while recording this was approximately 44.14 N, 111.05 W. I got three mosquito bites in under thirty minutes, including one on my hand.
(And the credits for this one are very old-school, so I'm adding a slightly self-aggrandising note here: I did everything for this video! The camera, the editing, the sound mix, the graphics. It's good to know I can still do that occasionally!)
I'm at tomscott.com
on Twitter at twitter.com/tomscott
on Facebook at facebook.com/tomscott
and on Instagram as tomscottgo
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Two people drove past while I was setting up my camera, and I was, ever so briefly, worried.
@cecilnarwhal it’s federal, so it’s part of the FAA regulation.
Why are you sharing this information? Isn't it unethical?
Maybe the vehicle coming by should’ve blasted dueling banjos on the car stereo & shouted “you sure got a purdy mouth!”
@Burning Ship it’s called unlisted or private . Turn your brain on
only one drove back
I like how he didn't bring a cameraman for this one. He took no chances.
No witnesses!
He was taking no chances OR was it no witnesses???🤔😁😂
So original wow
Or he killed him already.
Actually, he killed the cameraman and left him there 🤪
Here's the issue about the US, Tom: changing something like this requires congressmembers to be slightly mentally competent
They bailed out that bank in about 20 minutes
Best country on earth dip shiettttt
@Top 10 Cars Agreed I mostly see it on social media.
@oh hi marc I don't think you know most Americans or politicians lmao.
@informant09 Good thing most of us don't live in Yellowstone lmao.
That is so nuts, I have fished the Idaho section of Yellowstone a few times, and am a lawyer, and I had no idea about this. Aside from making sure I carried both my Wyoming and Idaho fishing licenses and a handgun (bears are a real concern for anglers there), I wasn't thinking about the law; in fact, those mountains are where I go to escape thinking about the law!
@Taurick well if you're not seen, most laws don't matter...
Why are you fishing for bears?
@Steve West technically he can shoot machine guns over there and get shot by a fighter jet and nobody could do anything about it lmao
You don’t kill 🐻 bears
😆
"I am not going to tempt the forces of irony like that." I like this guy.
@Fisheryboi nope, misconception
@Nathan Levesque By definition ironic.
@kormannn1 that’s…. Concerning
@Pamela Hyea
how funny i live near yellowstone
Considering how many people disappeared in Yellowstone it is creepy that this loophole exists...
@Qwopiretyu there's actually quite a few places that is lawless btw
If you take a similar sized area and slap it onto any part of the globe, I bet you find as many or more missing people. Population density and crime rate notwithstanding, test even in rural/undeveloped areas I'm sure it's like ships disappearing in a triangle sized area of ocean the same as Bermudas triangle. Coincidence
Well I'm assuming 99 percent of those people got lost while hiking backcountry it's super dangerous obviously
Its absolutely hilarious to me that the "Yellowstone Zone of Death" has absolutely nothing to do with the supervolcano
That zone of death is much, much larger
How are there literally TWO zones of death in one park lmao
The supervolcano is actually not that big of a threat, if even if an eruption were to occur we would have plenty of warning beforehand
@Damon Roberts why would they need to fence it...just don't be idiotic.
@Emiliskog we kinda are it could block the sun.
back in college, A few buddies and I drove up to the belcher ranger station and then hiked up to Dunanda falls, the few people we met on the trail were some of the nicest people I have ever met. It's probably safe to assume they were so pleasant because they had just finished murdering their worst enemies.
maybe they were worried you were going to murder them
😂😂😂 of course
You need a shirt with the word OPTIMIST on it.
That’d put a pep in anyones step for sure 😀
Just don't get caught committing a crime inside the zone. The punishment would be whatever the person that caught you sees fit.
When the cops aren't around, anything is legal!
@Austin Flake The defendant cannot legally serve as a juror in their own trial, interestingly not due to laws against it but due to the selection process. Jurors cannot be specifically chosen, they are randomly selected and of those random selection may only be *removed* during voir dire. This requires someone to be in the jury selection pool, and (putting aside that you're ineligible for jury duty while awaiting or on trial), potential jurors must be selected from the area. Nobody lives in this area, that would include the defendant. Source: I'm a criminal defense lawyer. BONUS FACT: The only people who are permanently removed from the jury selection pool are active-duty service members (who are added back in when they return from duty) and people who have been elected to government office (who are never put back in). This means it's totally possible for Lebron James to show up on your jury, and then he can dunk on you in *two* courts.
@Archer - would you say we’d be venturing into a zone of danger?
Then who punishes them?
Lmaoooo
"I'm not stupid enough to try and test it by committing a felony here, Apologies if you thought i was that stupid I am on youtube after all" and this is why i love your videos
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Funny how he’s apologizing skdoeksjd
In England there is still a Law (going back many many centuries) which states that it is legal to kill a Scotsman within the City Walls of York as long as he is armed with a bow and arrow at the time. The city walls still exist and the Law has never been formally repealed. This loophole was explored ( theoretically at least, down the pub) during the tenure of a particularly unpopular Prime Minister, Gordon Brown who was a Scot. Elaborate schemes were devised to lure him to York, thrust a bow and arrow into his hands when he was unawares, and then hurray! Open season.
@RedRocket4000 It doesn't matter if they haven't explicitly revoed it. There is something called "implicit derogation" which is applicable.
@addust I have bad news for you…
This is so dumb.
@Choughed unenforced
I just wanna say, Tom has invited me out here like 4 or 5 times saying "cmon you have got to see this, its incredible", but I keep ending up busy at the last second and he never specifies what it is I need to see, should I be worried? 😟
the Hunt will be awesome!
Just go, it'll be fun!
An actual realistic crime that can be committed in the Zone of Death is illegal logging
I misread logging. I need help!
@penyu There's always one guy base-building
Except you'd need a teleporter to get the logs to the sawmill without being guilty of transporting illegal logs.
@Brian only if you have income and it's quite reasonable to expect someone building Lil' House on the Prairie in the middle of a state park 50 miles from the nearest *anybody* & 20 from the closest cell tower would most likely not have income
The issue with that is transport the logs, if you leave the area I’m sure they could find some kind of charge they could get you with (possibly on the smuggling lines). I guess if you illegally cut down a tree and just left it there they couldn’t do anything about it but you’d just be killing a tree for no reason
It would have to be a random, out of the blue, perfect timing murder otherwise they could charge you with kidnapping at least, or accuse you of killing the person outside the killzone and dropping their body off there. Technicalities work both ways
@Kiwi warlord Well this is brilliant. One last bastion where consenting belligerents can sort it out themselves. I own a pair of dueling flintlocks, never fired them, always wanted to.
@Alex Wright I believe there would have to be an anti dueling law( New Orleans has this as I am sure many others). But then, since laws dont apply, kind of moot.
@Kiwi warlord Isn't arranging a duel conspiracy to murder? Or at least conspiracy to assault or breaking specific laws against duelling?
Also the offender would have to be American with no other citizenships to avoid extra territorial jurisdiction - Tom, for instance, as a British citizen can be tried by the British courts for murder or certain other serious offences commited abroad. And even that wouldn't work for torture, which has universal jurisdiction in many countries.
Premeditated would he huge keyword in that case. They would more than likely try to take it all the way back to where "it was originally planned"
I've noticed the park is not just in wyoming. It appeared strange to me. Now this legal loophole has been illustrated,and it's extremely unsettling. In the wrong hands.
This is like if an online game disables PvP serverwide but there's a little bit of map geometry where PvP is still enabled and the devs haven't bothered patching it.
"Hell no, I'm not going to tempt the forces of Irony like that". Some would call that superstitions. But he's absolutely right.
as a science person who does not believe in superstitions, luck, destiny etc. i am 100% going to be using this phrase from now on. it's gold
I feel like the most likely crime to be committed in a place like that would be either poaching, illegal logging, or littering, something that doesn't necessarily require more than one person to be involved (which would make it a conspiracy). There's also various other rules in certain National Parks that someone could theoretically break in a place like that, like approaching wild animals, but I don't know if breaking those types of rules would be a criminal offense.
is it a crime if mosquitos suck the life out of you?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The worst thing about moving into that part of Idaho would be that every time a crime gets committed...you get a summons for jury duty.
@notme222 They can, but they'll fail to convict you. However you can face civil penalties for the damage you'd do to the national park (civil penalties don't require a jury) and, technically, the government could just send a bunch of heavily armed park rangers or federal agents to come remove you and destroy your home. If it isn't a crime for you, it isn't for them either.
Worst part about living in that part of Idaho, is having to live in Idaho
@Indiana Holmes I'm sorry to hear about your period, but this does not disprove any of my arguments.
@Mikha Mikhin then educate yourself. It is not slavery. PERIOD.
@Indiana Holmes I don't want to repeat the whole conversation to you once again. Regardless of your personal position, it is involuntary servitude, which is forbidden by the constitution, because you are forced to do it. I have responded MULTIPLE times during this conversation regarding the use of the word "slavery." If you can't find the strength to read the entire conversation, then don't respond.
Tom - "So, this is not a place where crime is legal. The law applies here. I'm not stupid enough try and test it by committing a felony here." Cameraman - "Oh thank god! I'm the only other person out here."
@ThunderWolf Exactly… what cameraman? Makes you wonder, doesn’t it.
He uses a stand...
There's no cameraman in this video
It would have been hilarious if there was a cameraman who stepped out in front and said, "I've been meaning to talk to you."
Lols
This isn't the video I expected haha. I thought this was going to be "Yellowstone is so wild and naturally dangerous, someone could hide a body here and it would look like an accident."
You absolutely could hide a body and no one would find it. Throw it in a geyser would be the obvious way but you could hike and just leave it in the open chances are no one would ever see it.
I feel like Tom is one of those people who grew up listening to every word his mom and dad said
I actually worked in the park this summer, and he wasn't lying about those mosquitoes . Shame I never saw you pass through!
As a nearby resident of the "Zone of Death", bing eaten alive by mosquitos there is a real possibility. One of the most mosquito infested areas in the lower 48 states.
They are gigantic!
Another problem with poaching an elk in this zone is trying to find a saucepan big enough to boil the water .
@Nugg Dimmadome Omg your right. 💀
Okay you win the internet today!
@Nugg Dimmadome touché
That was puntastic. I tip my hat, good sir.
@G-Forces it's the best result
Really feels like Runescape's Wilderness. Waiting ijust utsied the border for some newbies who don't know about it to invite inside the zone. The deeper you go, bigger the crimes you can commit
Wildy irl
There’s literally unlimited stuff to do in that game
@Killertruth186 Exactly
@Ravi V Runescape is still up.
You meant the player killers sometimes set up shop in the wilderness and attack unaware players for their loot?
I would like to hear if someone openly murders another person and if the Federal court would just...look away. A Federal Judge has already previously ruled that crimes in the zone can be tried in the US District Court for the District of Wyoming.
@Daff Quess Within Yellowstone park, only the federal government can prosecute.
A federal judge has ruled that but since it's a constitutional matter, it could easily get appealed all the way to the supreme court if someone decided to do so.
Unless you murder someone in the course of committing a felony (or murder a politician or federal officer), that's a state crime and the loophole only applies to federal crimes.
Do you volunteer as the victim?😅
I love technicalities! Was on a jury once for someone pulled over in a work zone for speeding. He tried saying he was past the work zone when he was speeding at 11pm. The lawyer did say that signs were posted , but never mentioned if anyone was actually working at 11pm. The law states that it for it to be a work zone, it must have signs AND workers present.... we really didnt have much to go one though.
To think Tom was so close to my home town...could've had a picnic in the zone of death
The information you provided is amazing and just so you know, I've never heard of that and I'm 64! Thank you!
@James Animations rude
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Not gonna lie, I was kind of hoping Tom was going to break a couple really obscure Idaho laws like riding a merry-go-round on a Sunday or buying a chicken after sundown without the sheriff’s permission. Like a sequel to the video about committing dumb crimes in London.
@Adam Link I think they are but they don't matter and you wouldn't go to jail anyway. 🤷
@DHGMRZ17 Lmao I could see that happening 💀
@matlat power Wild implies unrestrained. Oh no no no, this would be a Karen with _legal_ authority to talk to your manager to let them know you won’t be around for a while. But not wild. If only.
we need Max Fosh to do that. someone let him know
Now THIS is what I’m here for.
I want to live a life like Scott. So much knowledge, exploration, and fun. I wish I knew where to start.
@whatsapp①⑥③⓪④⑥⑦⑤⓪①⓪ bruh these bots
The mosquitoes part is real facts. I just finished a 6 day hike firmly within the Wyoming portion (around the lake). The mosquitoes were absolutely everywhere and ravenous.
Tom Scott: “I’m not stupid enough to try and test it by committing a felony here.” Also Tom Scott: *breaks the law in London*
To make it even more interesting, for a long time, the little strips of the park in Idaho and Montana were not considered part of any county within those states. I thought the same was true of the portion of Wyoming that makes up most of the park, but I can't find verification of that, so I think I was wrong.
I remember reading about that book in some magazine, just the short introduction to the plot. And the zone of death was mentioned. I always wondered wether this was a real thing.
I love these kind of legal loopholes. Reminds me of the bit in the Martian where Mark Watney points out that he's actually committing international piracy by driving around Mars.
@Ragnhild In the case of the movie he broke down as such: 1. He is commandeering a vehicle without permission (Because he had to enter the vehicle to make contact to GET permission, which means he has to commit the act before being granted permission) 2. Space is not considered as any country, and any space not owned by any country is defined by "International Waters" where-in maritime law applies 3. Commandeering a vehicle without permission in international waters is an act of piracy.
There's no way it would hold up in a court of law though
Tbf there's been universal jurisdiction over piracy for centuries so that's an example where there is no perhaps no loophole in the law that benefits criminals and the whole universe is theoretically covered.
That wasn't in the book. Now I want to watch the movie! XD But this whole thread reminds me how thin the line sometimes gets between legal and illegal behaviour.
Isn't there also a maritime law that allows you to take abandoned stuff as your own?
Love your posts! Very interesting and fascinating, keep them coming ! 😊
I just subscribed, I have to say I’m very impressed with your presenting skills (watched a few of your single-takes) and wish you the best!
I thought this was gonna be about the volcano not being even close to as dangerous as people make it out to be.
I’m just surprised that mosquitoes survive that far north. I’m from the south and can barely withstand the winters here.
I was fascinated when I heard about Yellowstone from a cousin of mine(comic books I guess). He told me then that an explosion there could end humanity! Now back to watching your video
As a native Idaho resident, you could do this anywhere basically.
@Kaymarx I don't think anyone has committed a crime there anyway.
@Banana Lmao Alaska is one of the most rural states out there.
@Alan Hobbs Put a hyphen on either side of the string you want to strike through. - Like this, but without spaces. - -So like this.-
@OptimusPhillip how did you do one line????
@Aaron Jones I got pulled over in Idaho with pot by a drug dog and they just let me go
This is oddly convenient considering how easy it is to also dispose of a body in yellowstone.
what
So interesting.. I learned something new. Thanks for making the video just 5 min instead of 20. I love that you speak fast and get straight to the point. Thanks for sharing!!
You should do a video about the death zone in Florida. It's the constantly backed up public restroom at one of our local marinas.
Very well made video. Good job Tom!
Is it just me, or are the shadows at 0:08 and 5:46 exactly the same? I think you filmed those in the same take! It would of course make sense to do that. Just fun to notice.
"Hell no, I am not going to tempt the forces of irony like that" This professor will survive any disaster. He's genre savvy as hell.
What's he going to do with bears? 😐
@アダム L
He was worried he might fall over and accidentally stab someone to death.
ItsyaboyAndy he’s
i’m just sitting here like 🤞 please go off please go off 🤞
Professor kelt actually speaking understandable legal English. He needs to consider being a youtuber like legal eagle
Tom I work in Yellowstone and wanna say that I love your video. If you ever come back, you should visit old faithful lodge ;)
I saw the title and thought Tom was going to visit "death gulch" or the other carbon dioxide buildup areas within the geothermal basins :3 but this is cool too!!
I love the disclaimer at the beginning of the video! The seriousness of the guy in contrast with the half mystery, half comedic tone of Tom.
OMG! I just recently did a video (“Getting Old”) and used a clip of you!! Didn’t know you were on CS-tv, just knew the clip was perfect for where I placed it (right when I say “… breathing is a privilege that most take for granted…”) Definitely have to check out more of your videos.
Looks like the mosquitos are well aware of the laws!! Great video, as always, Tom!
I'm betting that Tom probably murdered a number of mosquitoes while there. More interestingly, the mosquitoes that assaulted him probably could be put up on trial, because I'm sure that a judge in those parts would have no problem finding 12 of them.
@Ragnhild no, mosquitoes are friendly normally in fact, I have few of them as pets. They even kiss me out of gratitude
Tom discovered why the mosquito is jokingly called the state bird in a number of states.
@homeland11? Umm mosquitoes can be less aggressive in certain places
Great Video Tom! What camera/audio etc do you use to get such good audio out doors?! plz share!
Cracking work Tom as always!
I remember a story of a dude poaching a bear in this area and a judge convicted him just to not set a precedent.
Got my subscription on this one. Awesome stuff and I love knowledge. Oh and I would be a nervous wreak too out there.
I'm impressed that the professor is wise enough to not tempt the forces of irony.
Most people, even in North America, don't realize how vast and empty some parts of it are; particularly in the west. You were probably one of maybe a dozen people in a region bigger than most English counties.
I always thought about this especially when I realized how big Alaska alone was.
@Erik maybe in places that have a small area
You're Gonna Hate This there are many many places in the us you could walk for days without hitting a road
@killbillvol69 most Canadians live south of Seattle
@currentsitguy Ideally yes, but as seen in the US, there's a cultural backlash (as well as confusion on what to do with empty office space) from executives pushing back on WFH policies/positions. In my area specially, very few positions that could've been were actually changed to remote, and those that were have since been retracted and now require you to commute to the office.
There is no reason to worry about the zone, you said it yourself: Any judge can just choose not to follow that, and since its already happened, it will happen again.
No. You appeal the case!
It would be appealed if it were a more serious crime. And eventually deferred to the constitution.
@BoozeBlaster 🤡🤡🤡
@Dustin Gaethje Let's disregard the Constitution in all cases, then, since it's so disposable.
@canoshiz That's stupid. Do both. If something is a crime, then fine print bs like this shouldn't stop us from punishing the person responsible, as long as it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty. On top of that, the judge did nothing wrong. The guy could have appealled, but he chose not to. That's on him, for whatever reason he did (and I'm sure he had a good one).
Damn.. did a Yellowstone trip with a buddy of mine a few years ago and we camped one night in each state where the park is - Idaho then Montana then Wyoming.. had no idea about this.
But is your friend alive after the trip tho :)
The chateau Frontenac in Quebec still has an effective law that state if you stay there they have to provide bording for your horse. You should make a video about odd law and check if they still work in the current age
Thanks for letting me and half a million other people know about this place.
I heard there is a book detailing the court cases that got thrown out due to a lack of jury for the zone of death. I'm not good enough at internet searches to look it up to get a title.
It's a shame that this wasn't put to the test in the poaching an elk case, as that would have given some precedent before it gets to murder or a similarly serious crime - or if the defence had worked, there'd be more compulsion to resolve it.
@John Airey The problem isn't the Constitution here--the vicinage requirement is easy to comply with and no other district has a problem with it. The problem is the statute drawing the district lines in this spot.
Hey guys 🤝. Believe in Jesus. Believe in the King of Kings and Lord of Lords 👑
@Anonymous Considering its a national park, although people don't live there it's not exactly far fetched to think people still visit the area, potentially setting themselves up to become a murder victim in a very strange murder case...
That case in a way did set a form of precedent. Not to the full extent of the law, but you will not go free. Plus, as it was put, there is still other legal matters that can be applied depending on the crime. As my professor in college put it. " For every law, there is a loophole."
@King Kak I think you're talking about different kind of guilt. You're talking about guilt in front of the law, while he's talking about guilt in more general sense.
The cameraman already felt scetchy going to that location.....when Tom said "And now for a demonstration..." the panic set in.
They could literally just interpret the "a jury from the district and the state" as having to be made up of both, and thus people from Idaho and the Wyoming district separately. The wording there doesn't seem to explicitly state everyone in the jury has to be both.
@Emily Smith Well no, "OR" would mean you could just fill the jury with one or the other. "And" indicates you do need both factors, but doesn't dictate how you need to include them or to what extent you must.
The conjunction you’re describing there is “OR,” not “AND.” But people don’t know that because they actually use “OR” as if it were the logical command “XOR.”
Now I’m never trusting anyone that asks if I want to go with them to Yellowstone 😭
This guy makes me actually want to learn
As a neuroscientist, I’m itching for someone to test this hypothesis 🤣
I like the way you can tell that the the 'Tom drives in to Yellowstone Park' and 'Tom drives out of Yellowstone Park' were filmed within minutes of each other by the almost identical shadows on the trees in each shot.
@Max Mustermann I don't think you even have to dispose of it.
It's editing. He set up his camera for the shot. He drove into the park, and then turned around and drove out. I guess he could have left his camera unattended while he videoed the rest, so he could try to prosecute anyone who stole it in the Zone of Death.
How about, just maybe, the fact that all he had to do was set up his camera and talk for a couple of minutes? That might explain why time didn’t pass enough to drastically alter the position of the shadows
@Tim Aidley Understood!
@Rika I would never admit to being bored when watching one of Tom's videos!
I would love to see someone test this out in court
It's funny how Tom is always getting over a million on his videos 🤣
I think you were at more risk from the mosquitos.
I have been to Yellowstone. This is a very good reason to know the borders and where you're standing. Scary stuff.
I thought the ‘Zone of Death’ was the stretch of road where tourists get out of their cars to take selfies standing next to wild animals.
That's a wise move. The mosquitoes in that area have been known to fly off with small pets and the occasional child. The death of an adult male has never been proven, but who wants to take that chance?
@VP Mosquitos are the Alaska state bird.
@VP I was a denier too, until my entire family was taken by a squadron of mosquitos. They haven’t come back yet.
@VP Sorry, but you're factually wrong. They definitely can.
@VP I was taken by them as a child, had to survive in the wilderness for ten years. Never underestimate those bastards.
This Zone of Death is obviously where the Yellowstone series is based on.
Great video and not any longer than it needed to be. Subscribed.
They need to somehow work this into the final season of Yellowstone.
I believe the "train station" is in this zone.
This takes "It is not a crime if it is not found" a really different path
Fascinating! Human language and law is full of wonders.
Tom: “I’m Not Stupid Enough to try and test it by committing a felony here” Also Tom: *”Makes a Video all about breaking law in the UK”*
@Jukebox The Ghoul everyone in the USA has a trial. You're very very uninformed
@Im_AFK_Btw no, we still use magistrates today. Every court case starts off in a magistrates court. If it's a serious crime, the magistrates will then send it to a crown court for a jury trial.
@oli Johnson Maybe in the days of the British empire but not today, people are judged here by judges not magistrates, and members of my family have commonly been asked to attend jury duty, there isnt one singular "crown cort" for the whole country, I don't know about every town but at least every county has its own court house for trials. I have seen some cases in videos where people have had trials in places simply rented out by the towns local council.
He knows he's white and would be railroaded here by our system.
@William071802 no, if it is a final hearing it is technically considered a trial. Also most people don't know that they must prepare an indexed file bundle with objections at least 10 days before a hearing to be "eligible" to protest the prosecutors claims. In the hearing itself you're not allowed to dispute anything if you haven't done so in written form before. Basic, state sponsored legal counseling will not instruct their clients in this regard. Appealing the judge's decision to be revised by a more senior judge comes with the risk of punitive measures, specially if done without grounds (new evidence).
I like how Tom is like "I'm definitely not gonna commit a felony" - yes Tom we know you ain't gonna kill anyone, but you still showed up at the #1 psycho-killer ambush spot in freaking 'Murica... that's why we might be a little worried lmao
It's used in the TV show Yellowstone to "Permanently retire" people who works on the Dutton Yellowstone ranch
Same goes for if you're in the middle of the ocean there's certain places where governments don't have jurisdiction.
So my question is: What about the killer or the victim being outside the zone? When would it count as crime and when not?
@seeni gzty What do you mean?
represented one of them?
The law: *Trying to do its job* One specific part of Yellowstone: “Nah, not feeling like it.”
By the end of Tom Scott’s career, he will have turned over every bizarre legal stone there is.
He´ll never go anywhere near the big, politically inflammable ones. Such that relate to fact that powers that be can do whatever the hell they want to start a war where ever they want.
Nothing will top flying kites in a public place.
You underestimate lawmakers.
He'd have to turn over the world nearly. But it sure would be interesting to see
And this time that legal stone was the Yellow stone :P
I wonder what a person who lives in two homes - one in Wyoming (or even part of Montana!) and the other in any populated part of Idaho would count as.
I’ve lived in Idaho my entire life and I’ve never heard of this. How interesting 🧐
I got invited by my friend to that area, he called it the zone of wilderness.
Yes, I can attest to the ferocity of the mosquitoes which are the size of moths and they swarm after you as you walk.
It's a real shame Tom didn't find some old, obscure, technically-illegal-but-nobody-cares laws to break while he was there. Like whatever that one about not having an ice cream in your pocket is (though I think that's a NM law or something). You know, just to say he had, really.
I think if anyone actually tried to get away with murder via this loophole, the federal government would try to _"Al Capone"_ them. The prosecution would try to charge you with any and all potential crimes you committed outside the zone, e.g. conspiracy, or kidnapping (if you took someone there against their will) and make sure you got the maximum sentence on every single one of them. I think it would be close to impossible to commit murder inside the zone without committing any crimes before/after which could get you a custodial sentence.
Dodging murder charges but then getting thrown in jail bc of some obscure technicality, like "we found a brown recluse in your car, so you're guilty of transporting a venomous animal across state lines. That's going to be either a hefty fine or 250 consecutive life sentences 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸"
@František Vrána No they wouldn’t. That’s not what attempted murder means. Also, the death zone has 0 permanent residents. It does however have regular visitors and tourists. There are people who could be killed without having been led there.
@Erika No, merely planning a crime is not a crime. It could be research for a detective novel. However, if a murderer intends to commit murder in a 0 population area, they need to lead a victim there. And since at least part of the leading happens in another state or district, they would be guilty of attempted murder there.
@František Vrána Again, planning to kill someone isn't a crime in and of itself. You can plan to commit however many crimes you want in the US. It is perfectly legal. I am confused how people aren't getting this.
@František Vrána And then they'd have to convince the attorney general or whomever that they didn't intend to kill anyone until after entering the Zone of Death. Which doesn't sound like something where the burden of proof should fall on the defendant, but an argument could probably be made that pretrial procedure follows different regulations than the actual trial, and this sort of thing would probably get enough media attention for the justice system to feel the need to prosecute the bastard _somehow._
Honestly surprised Tom didn't bring a friend to shoot off a bottle rocket or something during the video to have Tom end the video suddenly (as the way of ending the video)
Been in the death zone many times. C J Box lives in my town. C J writes great books!
Imagine going on a walk there and seeing a person in a full suit of armour walking towards you with a sword out