[REAL ATC] Delta is forced to return after a WINDOW BREAKS APART!

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  • *It must not be easy to fly your aircraft when your window is wide open and you're going faster than 200 knots. KUDOS to these pilots and also the ATCs who reworked all the traffic to let the Delta land safely :D*

    • +EinkOLED I see your poiint, and as I wrote, I don't think it would be good at all times. But there should be a possibility to have written communication. Again not (just) a keyboard but with predefined parts of texts. And not mandatory but optional. Alos there were tests about talking while driving and that was distraction factor too.

    • +Dénes Sebestyén I understand that. But the pilot monitoring needs to scan their own instruments, read the checklists and help the PF fly the plane. Just like drivers who text at the wheel, I would find that it would be a distraction to the pilot in the cockpit who should be alert into any changes in the cockpit. Like I said, verbal communication is very quick and easy and can be corrected if something is read back wrong. And not all aircraft can keyboards, you guys have no clue.

    • +EinkOLED I disagree. The first officer (at least in this situation) seemed to be in charge of communication during part of this event. The A350 has keyboards at the pilots disposal and it wouldn't take much for the first officer to send a sitrep. Although, you're right that there is numbers they can put in the box that would alert ATC of a emergency. I think in this case the PIC and first officer felt they could still verbally communicate enough to get the plane back down.

    • EinkOLED communication is not done by the PIC. Also it could be semi-automatic. Not just a keyboard or something. And we see how beneficial could it be above.

    • +Dénes Sebestyén No it wouldn't. Anything that requires touch or typing should be spent on flying the plane and not communicating via ATC. Anything verbal doesn't distract you from controlling the airplane and keeping your head from looking outside the window.

  • Oh god what is this strange vortex of videos I just barely understand that I've been sucked into. I didn't even know Harrison Ford flew planes and the next thing you know here I am.

  • If they don't have them....planes need a text message system. Just sayin.

  • Delta 343 F off!

  • Did the Delta 343 just accuse the ATC of lying about the emergency aircraft going NORDO at 8:40? Did I hear that right??

    • +VASAviation - Gosh, I hope so! That would be HIGHLY unprofessional if he was!

    • I think it's just an irony.

  • I hope the pilots didn't suffer any hearing loss / damage to the ears after this. Scary.

  • DAL343 is being a bit of an ass over being slightly inconvenienced by an aircraft IN DISTRESS.

  • Anyone else wonder why ATC... i don’t know... didn’t try talking above a normal speaking voice...

  • As we say in Germany: 7-6 I hear nix

  • I'm thinking the window did not break apart but the female pilot DID NOT bring to window handle back over center to close it after having it open at the gate

  • They earned their money today.

  • I'm glad Europe's Eurocontrol enforces Controller Pilot Data Link Comms (CPDLC) for cases such as these.

  • DAL343 That ‘okay’ had me dying 🤣🤣🤣

  • hi! Can anyone tell me what does "cross channel" mean ?

    • Receiver and transmitter on different frequencies.

  • I know emergency situations are difficult but why did the tower controller continue to give long, complicated instructions in a normal voice after he had heard 3-4 times that 589 could not hear him. I would have barked "589...HEADING 220".

  • Same thing with Ajax Airlines 4140 The Proud Bird with the Cast Iron Tail.

  • I was hoping for a scramble from the lack of transmission but I guess not

  • ATC seems to be quite stupid and not listening when they said they can't hear you because there is an open window. Yet for some reason they kept giving a whole lot of detail, and kept doing it. Again, and again, and again. Sort of makes me want to force them listen to the comms and what they kept saying to ATC. Flight Crew did a good job saying what the issue was ATC was just not listening or not sharing when the flight was handed off. It makes me wonder if they ever did understand what the issue was because they kept trying to give a lot of detail that they could not hear.

    • THEY ARE DOING IT ALSO SO THAT OTHERS ON FREQUENCY IN THE BUSY AIRSPACE ARE AWARE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

  • I was a passenger on this flight. We all got an extra bag of peanuts once we got on the new plane.

  • 1:10 is "get vectors to come back".

  • Delta 343...what a dick

  • There should be an option to chat with atc in text mode, just like in vatsim or ivao... It makes life so much easier to be able to read past messages... Or at least be able to read messages in these situatiobs

  • Why didn't the flight squawk 7700 (or at least 7600) right away? Instead of back-and-forth with ATC about not being able to hear ... as soon as they were unable to comply with ATC instructions (because they wouldn't be able to even hear them) and they needed ATC to get any traffic out of their way, why didn't they squawk first? That way they don't have to spend effort trying to hear ATC ask them if they have a problem, and ATC would get everyone out of their way immediately?

    • Didn’t they once talk about the squawk code?!

    • Marshall handheld Flax i was Wondering that too

  • Can’t hear anything but give us a vector.

  • Can you check this news about a Lufthansa flight Frankfurt to Bogota than almost went wrong at the alternate airport: www.elcolombiano.com/colombia/saturacion-del-espacio-aereo-por-poco-causa-emergencia-DN9681317

  • Pagers are FTW in situations like that.

  • This is what happens when you hire gender over experience...

  • Is that possible if the commercial aircraft has backup communication device which located in rear, somewhere near the tail?

    • +VASAviation - so the solution is fixing the window? Lol. Make sense

    • For what? The problem here is the noise due to the open window.

  • 5:50 pay close attention, you can hear clearly why the window was opened...

  • How about "If you have a cellphone text me at xxx-xxxx" from the aircraft? I know this would add to a high workload, but if they need vectors, they need vectors.

  • Interesting, this is the second incident, maybe the third one now, regarding window fractures. Perhaps the company is to blame.

  • Rumor has it that Johnny Bravo was on coms in the cockpit of DAL2555 😌 9:21

  • At 9:22 the DAL2555 just finished Jacking-off :)

  • Happily they could manage to get some communication back

  • I live two miles away from MSP Airport.

  • Good job by all - little surprised there weren’t some additional radio calls by the emergency aircraft once they were turning for the approach / landing - just for situational awareness and intentions to tower and other traffic.

  • Who's dog would have their head hanging out the window the whole time? Everyones? Thought so.

  • I work at KMSP and saw it land while at work, nice job pilots

  • Communication with the stricken airplane is minimal, almost non-existent, so why the fock is MSP suggesting using 35? The pilots have got their hands full at the time and can’t hear shit, why try to add more work? Who cares if. you have to delay/change runways for a handful of other planes...? I tell ya, sometimes ATC goes full-on stupid in some situations. Makes me think of the Citation that lost a door in SFO. Controller = idiot.

  • Luckily Boeing makes test flights for exactly this situation, for aircraft types with sliding cockpit windows. Check out this video to see what this looks like in real life: cs-tv.org/tv/video-dEMcD-RWA9A.html

  • Dose anyone know what's this controller said? drive.google.com/open?id=1Zl4vcSUtFjESuW_nr_4OfBnpPsqOIO3l

  • just a summer breeze

  • "I cannot hear a word! ...oh, and please give me vectors for landing"

  • WE CAN NOT HEAR A WORD ... Tries talking to them.

  • Wonder how the pilots communicated with each other considering they couldn’t hear the tower through their headsets.

    • smoke signals? Flash cards? Pass each other notes? Personally, I would say hand signals, that's how they communicate with the ground crew after they unplug from the plane.

  • Hi VasAviation! I was wondering if it's possible to do the Scoot uncommanded engine failure on descent to Perth on OCT 11th 2018?

  • Delta 343 seemed a little too impatient, I don't think if he was in the same situation he would want to have to worry about someone having a small fit over course Corrections for a Final Approach he needed to keep his head in the game, and realize there was an aircraft in trouble that aircraft is the Tower's first responsibility, you wait in line like everyone else. Also great work by the controllers and the magnified graphics toward the end of this post made it so much easier for those of us with corrective vision problems to follow nice job keep up the good work and we'll see you at the next video

  • no fuel jettison after take off??

    • Lun Lun 737s cant jettison fuel. Their maximum take off weight isn’t enormously larger than the maximum landing weight, so it’s not necessary.

  • As a former 737 pilot, I can almost guarantee you that it did not break. It was almost certainly not latched properly.

  • Very frustrating listening to this. What does ATC not understand about "I can't hear anything...." but continued to give vectors. Am I missing something here?

    • I was confused by this. At 1:59, the pilot says "we cannot hear a word because we have a window open. We're going to have to get vectors back." If he really couldn't hear a word, how could he get vectors? But later he also responds to some ATC instructions, showing that he can at least sometimes hear ATC.

  • If those are the airspeeds listed then it looks like they were plowing along at 270-220 kts for the most part. Seems like they could've slowed to 150 kts as they did on the approach to try to close the window or at least hear better.

    • 175 miles per hour with the air blasting through the window, isn't the 150 a minimum and wouldn't the window being open be creating a drag, and lose lift, and as a result require the higher rate of speed? But even at 150kts it's not gonna happen because once you get it almost closed the pressure keeps it open just a fraction of an inch and if you let it go then you may shatter the window as it slams back to full open again or get injured. I think the newer designs have the window slide forward to open so if it's not latched it just pushes it further closed.

  • Hey, ATC. 30L. Just give them 30L. Bloody hell...

  • Windows has crashed

    • Just pull over on the next cloud and reboot and pray it recovers itself from an "improper shutdown" and keeps your license information.

    • That never happens

  • I wonder, why are those windows made to slide back, instead of forward ? This would prevent them from opening like that. If the lack of space is a problem, it could always be the furthest back window that is movable ?

  • This tower...mehhh

  • Which part of "I can't hear you" don't ATC understand?

    • They cant sit there and NOT say anything. Keep communicating in the event audio in the cockpit is restored. If for no other reason than to have it on record for investigators.

    • jjaus well they have to try somehow

  • Was that a novice ATC? Why did he start changing instructions to a pilot who could barely hear the radio? Why even talk in that situation? Just let them land wherever they want and clear all other traffic from its path!

  • I don't get it - was the window broken in the tower or the cockpit? Because the pilots told him about 5 times they wanted 30L and he still sent other traffic that way instead of 35.

  • Why was feels 343 so cranky?

  • 5:49 when your new girlfriend leaves your house after being there for hours.

  • They just wanted to feel the wind in their hair.

  • If there is no way for the pilots to hear the tower, and the tower could here them, could it be possible for the Delta to say they will be turning around and landing onto a runway while the tower could direct all other traffic away from the airport?

  • Surely in this day and age there should be a form of ATC to Plane text type service if they can't hear a word like this and just type out their issues and receive instructions by by text too !! Seems lunacy that there is not.

  • Someone farted at 5:49

  • Shoddy maintenance and inspections.

  • 1:20 is "I'm sorry" instead of "Minneapolis Tower"

    • At 8:56, the transcription seems to be mixed up. It is "Delta 589, if you hear Minneapolis Departure, ident"

    • And at 3:40 is it "high wind noise"

  • "That never happened" - Was this bloke acting an arsehole or have I missed something. Genuine question, thanks.

    • Supercilious self-righteousness is rarely helpful at the best of times, during exchanges with ATC it does little to enhance communication, and when ATC is trying to juggle a multitude of aircraft whilst dealing with a pressing emergency, it's little short of moronic. Regardless of the reason for the window malfunction mechanical or pilot error, it's surprising that another pilot doesn't realise that there is a time and a place for debating this, and it certainly isn't when ATC is trying to assist the crew trying to land.

    • Yeah what a dick of a pilot

    • Jimbo JetSet yea really wtf

    • Jimbo JetSet • I think the general consensus is that it was sarcasm and should have read “That never happens.”

  • Given that the pilots couldn't hear, isn't there a redundancy system like CPDLC that they could use to communicate with ATC?

  • If I was ATC here, I would advise "cleared to land any runway you would like."

    • I repeat, not that easy.

    • VASAviation - sometimes emergencies are inconvenient. You have to plan for a 7700 NORDO to come in anywhere they want, anyway.

    • Not that easy. You first have to move all other traffic and clear their way back in.

  • i cant hear a word .... (atc) you need assistance .... wtf

  • I love the DAL343 pilot. He's so calm and stays professional even tough he got a bit delayed by having to make a small detour.

  • Was Mitt Romney in the cockpit??

    • “I appreciate the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound. And I don’t think she knows just how worried some of us were,” Romney said. “When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no - and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous. And she was choking and rubbing her eyes. Fortunately, there was enough oxygen for the pilot and copilot to make a safe landing in Denver. But she’s safe and sound.” BTW, he was kidding.

  • I gotta stop watching these for awhile. Flying on a Delta 757 on my first leg to Vietnam this week...then Korean Air 747 on second leg and Airbus A330-300 to SGN. Don't no one go telling me problems about any of these...

    • +Wade Higgins The pilot on the Airbus put it down so softly on the Saigon runway despite the winds, I didn't know we had touched down until he put the reverse thrusters on.

    • +Wade Higgins I guess 1 out of 3 ain't bad but if I make to 3 I'm well on my way back to the 'Nam.

    • You'll be safe once you board the Airbus A330, but pray before you board the other two.

    • Thanks for everyone's concerns but I was joking. I was a commercial rotary wing pilot and flew combat in Vietnam. My immediate problem is I have not shrunk enough with age to fit comfortably in the seats for those long flights. If they had dirigibles with sleeping rooms, I'd book passage on them regardless of cost.

    • phapnui I feel you. I absolutely hate flying. I'm glad I'm studying biology and not some kind of business stuff, so I hope my future job won't require me to fly a lot. I'm a car guy and enjoy driving a lot, so I'm totally fine with driving 2000 km to Spain during the holidays. There are two issues. The first one is, those statistics are based on the average driver driving an average car. I know my car is safer than the average car (I've worked before studying...) and at least in my head I drive more safely and better than the average driver. However, I realize that statically my risk of having a fatal accident is still higher per traveled kilometer, even if I was the best driver in the world. That's where the second issue sets in. The anxiety of not being in control. To rely on complete strangers and the inability to do anything in case of an emergency. I think those are the main factors of aviophobia in many cases. The problem is, the parts of the brain which are responsible for fear/anxiety/phobias are much older from an evolutionary point of view. Fear is a primitive but very powerful instinct. It easily "overrides" all the systems that are responsible for logical, reasonable thinking. I realize my risk of dying is minimal, which is why I still fly if unavoidable. To make the flight a less stressful experience (which would create a negative feedback loop that makes the phobia worse with every flight), I take a medium dose of a benzodiazepine tranquilizer about 2 hours before the flight and depending on the duration and drug half life some more during the flight. That stuff really helps and makes flying way less stressful. However, make sure you have someone with you who is sober to take care of everything, because depending on how sensitive your benzodiazepine receptor systems are, that stuff might impair your ability to think straight. Keep watching yourself closely while under the influence, or you might embarrass yourself by talking a lot about things you shouldn't talk, lol. Some of the effects of these kinds of drugs are quite similar to the effects of alcohol. Alprazolam ("Xanax") worked well for me. It tends to impair your ability to think straight less severely than other benzodiazepines, while still having good anxiety suppressing effects - according to my personal experience.

  • she sounds so scared :(

    • Probably not scared. It was 'her' window that was open so it was really cold (being in the Minneapolis area) and she was shivering.

  • Sorry for the inconvenience Delta 343! Show some empathy for your company peer who is being blasted in the face with air whilst maintaining control of a 737.

    • Personally, I took it to mean that 343 was monitoring the frequency, and was very aware that the intentions of the emergency aircraft was runway 30L from the beginning. The airport tried to push the emergency aircraft to runway 35, feeling it was a better option, only to have the emergency aircraft say no, we are sticking to 30L, then the approach tried to blame the emergency pilots for being indecisive on their decision, causing the re-re-re direct... "That never happened"

    • He said “that never happens” sarcastically. The subtitles were incorrect by him saying “that never happened. He definitely said “happens”

    • I took it like he meant ignore my comment

    • Yeah - what’s his “that never happened” comment all about? I’d like to interpret it as “No worries/No problem” but I’m not sure that was the meaning implied.

  • BAD! Very inexperienced ATC! When someone told you cannot hear anything due to window broken and already acknowledged runway 31, stop asking for 35 to cause further confusion. All you need to do is to move all aircrafts out of the way and clear landing path for runway 31. This was terribly handled. Learned nothing at all from the recent well-known Chinese Sichuan airline incident where windows completely fell off and couldnt hear anything 30000ft in the air.

    • But fortunately for us Zoot Blanc, certainly a very experienced ATC, is here to tell us exactly what should be done. ATCs know their job, it doesn't mean that they're all great and all but it means that they know their job, better than you do for sure. Anyway, I'm sure that all the greatly experienced ATCs that we can see in the comments section will tell me that I'm wrong.

    • +Zoot Blanc Exactly, I don't know why ATC keeps botering with a few hundred meters of distance to get emergencies down a neglible time faster, that would only be warranted in case of fire.

    • +MusicLover11325 The controller repeatedly throws out 35. Garbage by controller. Musiclover - this is an emergency situation. The pilots say, repeatedly they want 30L and are having trouble communicating. They are under a high workload. They just took off from 30, they are thinking about thirty. Setting up, briefing some other runway. smart of them not to play that game. The pilots should state intentions once and tell controller to figure it out. Aviate and navigate. Fly the approach and land, controller keeps the rest of the planes out of the way.

    • +Zoot Blanc It's not really one way anymore if the pilot can respond no to a question? It's two way, but hard of hearing. In air traffic, it's about the safe AND expeditious flow of traffic. If they can get the aircraft down sooner the problem would be solved. Getting an aircraft down to runway 35 doesn't put that aircraft more at a risk compared to 30L. Besides, there's more traffic that are already sequenced into the 30's so that would create more work for the final controller to move them out of the way and quote traffic; thus creating a more hazardous situation for everyone vs. singling out this emergency. Again, the controller handled it correctly and offered all the possible outcomes and once the intentions of 30L was clear, they moved on with it. I think the controller would've unplugged knowing he did everything in his power and resource to help them out instead of regretting.

    • +Zoot Blanc I disagree. We sit here, knowing all about what happened, and can judge the ATC about comms. He did his job to offer a faster solution, then abandoned it when the PIC said they were already set up for the first runway. We are also favored by hearing filtered radio traffic (thanks VAS Aviation!) so can hear more clearly minor details.

  • This is why I like my noise canceling Bose headphones

  • Why didn't they go back into the cabin, close the door, and call the tower on a cellphone?

    • Same reason they didnt grab a passing pigeon from outside the open window and attach a handwritten note to its leg addressed to the ATC before setting it free and hoping it flew to the tower

    • or ask an FA to do it would have been the best option.

    • Because both pilots use Sprint and Sprint doesn’t have a signal above 5 feet!

    • NoJusticeNoPeace yes but they are not a part of commercial aviation, there are certain protocols commercial pilots must follow with their respective companies

    • +Austin Rebello I'm pretty sure I've seen videos where people flying drones have called airport towers directly to ask permission and to inform them that they'll be flying a drone in the area.

  • I can't even imagine how loud the wind noise must have been inside that cockpit. Several years ago, my friend and I drove from Hamburg to Munich in an old Mercedes E320(W124) cabriolet. When we had the top and all side windows down, we were only able to drive around 200 km/h(just about 120mph) before the wind was just way too much for us to handle. Had a real hard time even keeping our eyes wide open. We pulled off and raised the top again at a gas station parking lot. After that, we traveled at about 230 km/h all the way... except when there was heavy traffic and we had to slow down to under 100 km/h

    • You won't be able to do that for much longer. Derestricted zones on the autobahns are being deleted or shortened every year. Now you barely get a couple of kms every 10 or 20. Bundestag is working on eliminating them altogether. Might happen this year. Driving fast is actually safe. Everyone on the autobahn, regardless of how fast they choose to travel, is alert and concentrating. Because somebody else could be coming up on your tail at 300kmh and believe me, that mirror fills fast. I regularly drive at 220 where I can. Its a comfortable cruise for my 3 series beemer, I don't get bored and my mind doesn't wander as it does at 120. There's a bit of disorientation when you slow down though. That's why its a good idea to drop to a moderate speed about 15 mins before the end of the journey. This is just another instance of the state rolling over for the nanny.

    • B Lee • Were y’all on the Autobahn? My goodness speeds are fast.

  • Everything ended up OK, but the ATC is probably going to get some friendly advice on how to improve.

    • May I ask why? was it the instructions to 343

  • I think the pilot's Canadian, genuinely asking if his plan to deal with an emergency doesn't bother the ATC's traffic too much.

    • Exactly Ahahaha 😆

    • +otter jae And we're 10 times as cold

    • plemli i’ve heard we’re just as nice lol

    • plemli basically

    • Minnesota is nearly Canadian.

  • Just a little light chop, no biggie ...

  • Seems like a lot of 737s having window issues of late. Would love to see the reason for all of these window problems. Bad latch or missing a check?

  • @VASAviation - I don't know who you are or why you do this, but I genuinely appreciate the effort that you/your team put into producing each one of these. Thank you.

    • He does it for the MONEY.... All the MONEY.

    • he's a one cool dude

  • What did the DAL343 pilot mean at 8:50 when he said "That never happened"?

    • +Julie B Ah you're right, the caption is wrong, he did indeed say "That never happenS". :)

    • He was being funny. He said that never happens.

  • flying cabrio style probably not a thing yet for the big airliners.

  • I’m not an aviation buff and I rarely fly but I love these videos. How often do things like this happen where a plane has to return right after departure? Kudos to the pilots and controllers in situations like this.

    • Hi Rick. Quite often due to different types of issues. Returns and diversions occur everyday.

  • Nerves of steel.

  • DAL343, if you're reading this, turn down a douchbag setting a notch.

    • The atc seemed to use you instead of they in a bunch of places. The atc "said" that 343 was asked what runway they wanted and responded 30l, when it was the plane with the emergency who was actually asked.

  • 3:42 I believe it should be "high wind noise in the cockpit"

  • DAL343: “That never happened” .... yea ur right atc just made all that up.

    • He was being funny. He said that never happens.

  • Someone forgot to check windows in the before taxi checklist....

    • RR KNL it’s actually required by all pilots to make sure the aircraft is airworthy. But I wasn’t going that far into detail with my comment.

    • +David Michael A lot of airlines require the captain to look at the maintenance log and verify that all items have been signed off by the mechanic and the inspector.

    • David Michael • I remember reading that somewhere before. Thank you for that reminder.

    • Now that I remember it is in the before takeoff checklist. I thought doors and windows should be in there somewhere. Thanks.

    • gomphrena any work done would be in the maintenance log. All you have to do is open it and read.

  • The Who were still louder in concert !!

  • They are lucky it was at low altitude.

  • So the window slid open...not broken? just not secured before depart? thanks

    • +Wizbang FL thanks

    • Yeah, on a lot of aircraft the latch on the window can be sort of wonky and once they are open you have no way to close it because you have to pull it from the back to the front and just the pressure on the sill is so strong you can't move it from it's fully open location until you are back on the ground.

  • 5:50 ??

  • I remember when the window of my cescna broke due to bird strike it is not easy to control the aircraft but I landed safely

    • Yeah it sure is tricky... similar thing happened to me in my Dreamliner. Meteorite came straight through the window and landed in my lap, it was red hot so i had that to deal with too, and i spilt my coffee. Ive had better days

    • In a flightsim ?😂

  • "I CANNOT HEAR A WORD" *asks question

    • Also while the Radio is about useless to the pilot in this situation, aircraft do have ACARS and other methods of communication, So if ATC can hear the pilot, they may well be able to send a text reply back via ACARS or other compatible system. Not perfect but better than nothing.

    • I know, right😂😂

    • And it wasn’t a short question..

    • It's better than not trying, would you agree?

  • Only pilots get the luxury of a open window in flight :/

    • specifically it was aloha 243 flight...explosive decompression can barely scratch the surface of what happened...35 square feet of fuselage was simply ripped of the plane

    • ​+The PilotGuy I believe you are thinking of Aloha Airlines. (late 80's or early 90's)

    • Except at Southwest.

    • Hawaiian airlines had a convertible for the passengers. It wasn't well like though.

    • Nah, certain WN flights offer passengers this feature as well

  • If the pilots are reporting that they cannot hear the tower, I would think it would cause problems to try and give other runway options after they said they would use 30L. A mandatory runway change is one thing to try to share... But optional runway change may confuse the pilots if they hear part of the info but not all?

    • Also there would be no Mandatory runway change in an emergency. Well, there shouldn't be. Only the PIC has the authority to make a runways change in an emergency.

    • Honestly ATC was'nt that bright here. 589 repeatedly stated that the could barely hear due to a broken window and would be returning to 30, and the ATC keeps on throwing a spanner in the works with his 35.

    • +ShoesNoSocksthanks for the insight. I don't think the issue we were thinking of was that the suggestion was not a good one only that with the amount of noise in the cockpit with pilots saying "we can't hear you" multiple times - it seemed to be more of a hindrance but understand that ATC just wants to help as much as they would can.

    • +1Jennamo I actually do fly these kinds of planes. Agreed, switching runways would just cause issues, and ATC suggesting that they switch runways would just be irritating because, if nothing else, it adds one extra thing to think about in a high workload, high stress environment. Setting up for landing takes a while and with the level of noise it would be easier to just do what they planned initially. --They would have spoken about what their plan would be in case of returning to the departure airport when they were at the gate. Plus, in an emergency, they have priority. What the pilots say, the controllers have to make happen. However, good job here by all involved really. It's easy to say 'suggesting 35 was a silly move' now when we're not in that situation. He will have just wanted to help as much as possible so can't really fault him for that.