[REAL ATC] NEAR COLLISION / CLOSE CALL at Brussels Airport!

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  • Movie 2.22

  • Holy shit oh my God he or they should speak properly not mumblering thru or rolling tongue over or singing some lullaby!? Yes only the KLM pilot speak audibly salute! Authorities please make it a priority rules for all airport controllers and pilots to do English phonic lessons whether native speaker or not. I'm a Singaporean girl and Mandarin is my mothertongue but how hard is it to pronounce in good clear English !??? Especially if it meant life and death situation in aircraft !?

  • I honestly think this one is on the controller... As he clears the ukraine aircraft for takeoff, he says arriving traffic on final. If we assume it's approaching with 150kts, the departing traffic has about 72 seconds to leave the runway. That's not much time considering all the radio comms and entering the runway and so on. I think he tried to squeeze them in where there was no place for them...

  • Hahaahahaha

  • That KLM pilot has a pretty cool voice. Is that a British accent I hear, though?

  • ATC is f-ing up big time in Brussels. I'm a plane spotter and go to Brussels Airport very often. They normally have 25L for landings and 25R for take offs and landings. 25R is closer to the Schengen terminal and 25L is closer to the non Schengen terminal. They keep letting so many Schengen flights land on 25R in between all the take offs. Often, you'll see no aircraft in line for 25L while on 25R a plane takes off with another one on final to land right behind it with minimum distance and two more on final behind. It's hardly surprising to me that a situation like this happens on 25R at Brussels. They should put more aircraft on 25L which has more landing capacity due to the fact that nobody takes off there. Yes, you'll have a few minutes more taxi-ing to do but putting so many aircraft on 25R is really on the edge of unsafe. It's not worth the two extra minutes taxi in my opinion.

  • So by asking Ukrainian to stop at 20% down the runway was he going to have KLM fly in over the top of it to land? Or was he always going to order KLM to go around and didn't want Ukrainian to fly up into its path?

  • 1:30 Wouldn't you think some urgency should be heard (volume!) when saying "stop immediately?"

  • Of course the bastards from Ukraine would do such a thing... blood mofos asswipes

  • Ryanair......

  • That was not a near collision

  • They almost crashed cos you can’t fucking understand him

  • Give everyone the same radio that the KLM crew is using, please

  • So is this like a version of djs aviation

  • KLM pilot has like the clearest voice ever in ATC.

  • Dans ce cas la, quelle est le responsable de cette situation ?

    • We may investigate what went wrong but not who did wrong.

    • +VASAviation - pour l’éviter, il faut comprendre les faits des responsables?

    • We don't seek for responsibles but ways to avoid it.

  • that has to be the most dead inside "stop immediately" i've ever heard

  • What happens next with such incident? This was a close call and I have been wondering what are the next steps for this atc? Debriefing? Training? Or is this just a part of everyday job? I am not blaming him or anybody else, it’s just my curiosity.

  • Subtitles in Spanish please?

    • VASAviation I could if my English level was good enough, but unfortunately, it's not like that.

    • You can write them.

  • The battle between safety and other factors rages on........

  • AUI146 pilot needs sacking

  • Did the Ukrainian plane take off anyway? It didn't stop.

  • brace for impact - ryanair 2018

  • Almost impossible to understand

  • Why did the controller ask the AUI146 to stop rolling? Instead of leaving a distance between the two planes?

    • Because the KLM had to go around either way at that point. The standard go around procedure is keep runway heading until reaching a certain altitude. And with the UAI taking off under the KLM it could mean a crash if KLM would not adhere to the command to make a right turn. The KLM would go around anyway without ATC instruction because they had not received landing clearance. So they were lucky the KLM heard the instruction to turn.

  • So routine where I work haha

  • Stupid Ukrainian pilot!

  • Thank you for taking the time to add explanations to some of your videos - they're very helpful!

  • This was a non event in my opinion. Probably happens every day at the big airports.

  • Talk about "shooting the gap"!

  • if you as an ATC say "stop immediately" like a robot as if you were giving a met-report for a distant airport, then the instruction might be misheard when takeoff power is being set and callouts are being made...

  • Everyone died. RIP

  • How did you get this tape?

  • So what's the penalty/punishment for willfully ignoring a command from ATC?

  • The controllers volume is low.. Seems his voice should stand out among all..

  • Man atc did not miss beat, mistake or no

  • Ukraine didn´t understand one word of this fast talking mofo.

  • Sad KLM didn´t just land, fucking Ukrainians

  • What i don't get is how can anyone understand this, everybody speaks so unclear and fast, and i see/hear it every time.. why not talk a little clearer and a little slower.. like that second matters.. it atleast makes it safer

  • Remembering some discussion on other videos, that the US-people often clear landing aircraft before runway is vacated: Here is the reason to NOT handle it like that. Since the arrival knows they don't have clearance they do a go around even without anyone telling them and the controller can concentrate on stopping the plane on the runway. No need to debate what lead to this close one but, the controller did a fantastic job sorting things out in a safe manner, and the most important thing: He was calm all the way!

  • I must say that if there was no subtitles I would not been able to make out some of the lines ATC said.

  • 0:40 one to six, six to five, booty two killer lemur wieners

  • The controller spoke far too fast, as a pilot I would ask him to speak slower. Maybe he was taught English in India.

  • I’m came her for the funny ones but this is way different

  • 146 wasn't even listening to the tower while taking off. There could have been a thousand reasons other than the incoming plane for tower to instruct them to abort. So now the incoming has to do an evasive action, and flight 146 is going to have to write down a phone number to call. ATC had the takeoff and incoming too close, but when pilots aren't even listening an easy to correct mistake suddenly becomes far worse.

  • what a complete mess!

  • How about sounding a bit more URGENT and raise your voice, cause you know lives depend on it?

    • Raising your voice is something you must never do on a frequency.

  • Oh dear...the Ukraine aircraft just ignored the towers instructions. Well done, congratulations!

  • Mismanagement on the controller’s part was the main cause here, but that doesn’t excuse the Ukrainian from disregarding an instruction to stop. Despite not being the cause, it was a bigger transgression in terms of discipline in my opinion and I hope it didn’t go unchallenged.

  • The KLM pilot is the only person I can understand in this video

    • hahahahaahhahaahahaahaah mee too hahaha

    • Exactly, I have no clue what’s the atc is saying.

  • That guy in the tower needs to talk much more clearly. He also has no emphasis in his voice AT ALL. Not good.

  • Watch again without reading the captions. I can understand very little from this controller, or any pilots other than the British pilot. It’s amazing to me that they’re reading anything back at all. It’s just too slurred, run together and just hard to make out.

  • There was no near collision here. The KLM plane never got landing clearance and didn't seem to be landing. They were lined up, that's all. Sure, the ATC maybe didn't do the best job, but nobody was endangered at any point here.

    • They didn't get landing clearance so they go around right? Yeah, right into another aircraft taking off. The turn to 010 was an evasive action because the flight taking off either wasn't listening to tower or completely ignored them.

  • 3NM final at speed 160 and the guy holding short hasn't even entered the runway yet? Plus needs to make a very wide turn to get on runway. Clearance in those conditions? Thanks - Lumpy

  • 3nm is short as hell for a take-off especially when aircraft is not lined-up. My guess is (we don't hear this though) the AUI got a line-up in sequence instruction earlier because I can't believe it was cleared for take-off from holding point, while arrival was 3nm on final. So he was already lined-up when receiving the clearance. That makes more sense.

  • ATC HAS A HELL OF A UNCLEAR VOICE

  • Now thats a good controller. Way to catch that.

  • 1:14 Shouldn't the controller have said "expect late *arrival* clearance"? I thought the word "land" and all forms thereof are only to be used when issuing and reading back such a clearance.

    • Thank you for replying! Your vids are awesome!

    • Late clearance or late landing clearance is standard phraseo.

  • CAN I PUNCH THAT CONTROLLER FOR HIS ROUGH ACCENT PLEASE?

  • Uhh Ryanair

  • That was a fuck up. Why not just wait the 90 seconds for the KLM to land?

  • Controller error.

  • Slight mistake ...shit happens. That was no close-call at all. That was daily life in aviation.

  • Ukraine not responding was the real issue.

  • Finally! Someone who uses the correct phrase, "near collision" instead of "near hit"!

  • ATC's enunciation is shit?

  • Unless it was bad visibility, no separation was lost. Tower-separation. Visual separation. They can stay 5 feet from each other if the tower controller thinks its fine.

  • The tower agent needs some language exercises!

  • The controller should not have stopped the departing aircraft but immediately asked the landing traffic to go around. Then again, we were not there therefore we do not know the different variables that had led him to that decision.

  • Need other runway !

  • Why do tower said to UIA to stop immediately after giving the clearance to take off? UIA was already on the runway ready to roll. What would happen? (i have completely zero knowledge in this)

    • reading comments I understood that KLM would do goaround anyways. Well.. logically, runway has a UIA on it.

  • That KLM guy sounds like Microsoft Sam

  • Something like this almost happened on my first flight ever (I was terrified of flying) and our pilot told us about it while we were circling around to try landing again. He was not happy and I was terrified. lol

  • The ATC could speak more clearly and slower a bit, he is with accent and speaks very fast which is very hard to understand for pilots from non English speaking background

  • The views on this channel are tremondous but why low subscribers?🤔🤔🤔

  • Why I cannot understand This French Tower....ukDiii146shoplrollingnow... = "Ukraine International 146, start rolling now." - 1:09

  • That Ukraine int got balls to ingnore stop call

  • Is KLM1725 Nigel Farage?

  • What are Ukrainians doing in Belgium?

  • Its really hard to understand him he needs to speak up

  • I actually had something very similar to this happen when flying into Istanbul a few years ago. Tower told our captain we were clear to land but there was an airplane on our runway just as we were about to touch down. Pilot immediately pulled away and went around. I can still remember being sucked into the seats when he added power.

    • LjL not at all controller said expect LATE landing clearance this means it can also happen 10 sec before touchdown

    • In this case, the KLM had *not* been cleared for landing. He would have gone around anyway, just without the heading change.

  • even a kid would not make this mistake! clear an a/c to line up while one is 3 miles on final LOL, stupid!!

  • Climb 3000ft? LOL, I do sure ask again for the same if I was pilot.

  • KLM Fokker didn't fokk this one up.

  • With all the different languages and accents involved in these communications it's no wonder there were misunderstandings that could have been catastrophic. If English is going to be the standard language of aviation, all persons involved with safety critical communications should be required to learn and speak accentless Queens English.

  • KLM1725 representation and actual flight engine positions are different .

  • What im really concerd about is AUI146 not stoping by instructions. What if the reason for stop instructions was a plane crossing the runway and they didn't stop?

    • +Sammy Ku doesn't really matter who should do what in the end the ATC gave a command and it was ignored. Like was said there could have been any number of reasons the controller told them to stop (yes in this case it probably would have been better to call off the KLM, but this is another country and their policies and procedures may be different). Bottom line, when an ATC gives a command and you don't fallow, you better have a damn good reason for putting hundreds if not thousands of lives at risk.

    • With all due respect its all wrong. Ukrainian should resume take off and KLM go around..thanx folks

    • I thought the same thing. Slow roll, not listening. Would annoy the hell outta me

    • +Darran Edmundson the explanation says they were <50 knots, which I presume was below their V1

    • He was told to stop to maintain separation from the landing Fokker, if it had taken off, that's two airborne aircraft very close to each other and very similar altitudes, this is also why the KLM was asked to turn immediately, Worst case, he could literally have pulled up in to the bottom of the KLM, this is much safer

  • ATC should have stated right off the bat....immediate takeoff

  • They all sound Indian. No wonder this shit happens.

  • Layman's view: KLM1725 is a golden example of clear communication. The ATC is bad and probably to blame for the ensuing need to change plans. UI146 might have hesitated because the instruction to roll was about the least clear comm in this video (and being Ukrainian, they're 'English-handicapped', too), and the ATC could also have told them to roll as soon as they align (to save time) instead of separating the instructions. Obviously that is especially important if the ATC wants to let a plane land on a strip where another one is just taking off from, and especially if the leaving plane is relatively big. Maybe UI146 actually and only started to roll because they themselves could clearly see the approaching KLM and figured they need to get the hell out of there. The Ukrainians were either very confused or very experienced, in the latter case wondering: "Is that ATC nuts?" I guess arguing with an ATC can get you into trouble and only wastes time and distracts anyway, so they decided to stay quiet and polite. How could he just tell UI146 to stop before telling KLM to abandon landing?! That was a WTF moment for me. Like, did he want KLM to fly over UI and land then or what? (EDIT: I just read it's standard procedure to give the KLM clear path for the abandon maneuver without possibly entangling with the departing one.) ATC is basically doing the casual flowing tone of voice you know from on-board passenger cabin announcements, and with a Belgian accent that's even worse. At such a relatively major airport I would have assumed the value of saving time by saying things once clearly is appreciated more. Because if I was to talk like the ATC here, I would always wonder: Did they understand me or will we lose time with confirmation comms? Also, the ATC didn't seem too busy workload-wise, considering the number of planes he was instructing. (Clear speech takes almost no additional time at all.) - Now I'm wondering whether ATCs might have a habit of such because they only either think/observe or speak. Maybe they want to finish their comm swiftly so that they can go into coordination mode again. Dunno.

  • Okay here's the deal. And It's not gonna be popular. - KLM responds to a call at 6.6NM final - the speed reduction to 160kts is issued, which means that his current speed had to be noticeably higher - mind you, at 180kts he makes 0.5NM every 10seconds - including usual delay caused by time needed to input new setting to autopilot or to take any actions towards reduction... Let's say he started reducing at 5.5 or even 5 mile final - no info about andy additional departures prior to arrival but you can say that it's not compulsory - AUI gets a takeoff clearance when KLM was at (said) 3NM final - There was no earlier question about "immediate departure", no earlier lineup clearance and no "immediate takeoff" instruction. Not one of the tools (included in documents and designed to speed things up safely) was used - The only thing was the traffic information, but that's not enough. No info about KLM's speed or even acft type was given. - Mind you, AUI had to take a taxiway curved more than 90 degrees, which means longer lineup - "Start rolling now" is rather useless - After "expect late clearance" you can clearly hear the hesitation and uncertainty in KLM's voice. He knows that this is not a completely safe situation Of course, after all that, the incident meangement is almost flawless and everything seems to be solved. But I'd have to see an image from a surveilance situation display with an actual minimum distance between both of them to be sure that it turned harmless. Ergo: the controller screwed it big time but did the best he could to menage the situation afterwards. Which is an important part of his job.

    • Sorry, I had to give a thumbs down alone for the "and it's not gonna be popular" phrase.

    • Great synopsis... I wonder why the AUI Crew took the runway knowing that they had KLM on short final. Also on a 3 mile final couldn't KLM see that they were not clear.

    • Good point. I didn't notice the change in tone of KLM until you mentioned it. I went back and you're spot on.

    • At 0:55, ATC did say the next traffic is on 3nm final when he gave the take off clearance. Also at 1:10, he asks again to start rolling now but by the time they started, it was already too late I guess.

  • For the life of me, I can't understand why ATC instructed the departing aircraft, to 'stop immediately.' I understand the go-round - that's all good, but to stop an aircraft rolling when the problem is behind him - not ahead, makes no sense. Or am I missing something? Nice control by ATC.

    • Stop so that you don't take off into the aircraft that I'm about to send on a go-around. Typically for a go-around the arriving aircraft will follow runway heading and get vectors to go back and try that landing again. If the arriving pilot for some reason doesn't turn 010 as instructed they may crash. Kind of worst case scenario but possible. He was going to tell the arriving aircraft to go around regardless at that point.

    • Warren Alexander my English is not perfect, because if they line up on the same altitude that departure aircraft could make turbulence on the arriving aircraft because they are way to close to each other, and that arriving aircraft is very close to the ground and can easly crash if he fly into that air disruption made by departure aircraft, that's why atc instructed them to go 010(to turn right) immediately, he did that because departure aircraft didn't respond, if he'd stop that arriving aircraft could go straight what is more safer fot him.

  • Atc's fault.

  • Not sure why people are placing all blame on Ukraine while praising ATC. ATC cleared Ukraine to start moving onto the runway with an aircraft just 60 seconds from touchdown, tells them to roll, then, tells them to stop. It comes across as pretty scrappy, but maybe ATPLs can offer a more accurate assessment. I don't think we can assume the animation as accurate in terms of any perceived dawdling etc.

  • Was the KLM being flown by Nigel Farage ?

  • Nah its not a case of immediate takeoff. There should be FRESH revision and policy - A SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND POLICY - on " immediate takeoff criteria which should be "No aircraft will be offered IMMEDIATE unless they have called READY ON REACHING NO CONTROLLER SHALL OFFER IMMEDIATE UNLESS GROUNDSPEED POSITION DISTANCE AND EXACT TIME TO TOUCHDOWN COUPLED WITH TIME TO ROLL AND LIFTOFF ARE COMBINED WITH GO AROUND VELOCITY OF APPROACHING AICRAFT. Also no IMMEDIATE to be given by controller if visibility < the distance between the approaching aircraft and the departing aircraft x 2 AIRCRAFT HAVING GIVEN "Ready on reaching" to controller must BE ready for and EXPECT a rolling departure. Aircraft Commanders ARE NOT ALLOWED to accept IMMEDIATE without having given READY on REACHING

  • Well that was f-d up. Mr controller should have a maths lesson.

  • I am just a guy that likes to watch airplane videos and i dont know anything about it in any way so forgive me when i say this but, isnt the ATC guy talking extremley fast ? I always think they talk so damn fast that if i where a pilot i would not her a damn think of what they sad to me ?

    • You dont really listen to everything when you listen to them. You listen to the information you NEED. For example, wind speed. Could be completely ignored.

    • You get used to it, plus as Marko said, on APR for example, your only expecting a few things -Landing Clearances and Go Around (the latter they usually repeat twice in transmission so easy to spot) -Traffic information -Speed instructions -sometimes parking locations not much else will be said, so your just being ready for all of those

    • Dennis Lundin pilots and atcos expect to hear certain things, it makes it a lot easier to distinguish what was said

  • Did 146 just ignore the repeat instruction to stop? People arguing that its up to the captain at that point forget that it could be a situation where there's an impending danger that the captain can't see?

    • +David Mallar No. The instruction to contact departure was for another aircraft. Furthermore, we know 146 stayed on tower frequency because they responded at 2:45. What we don't know is why 146 ignored the repeat instruction to stop.

    • Eric TK yes because Atc instructed them to conract departure on other frequency moment before, so they probably changed radio frequency 😂😂😂

  • Fucking Belgium.. Was that a 'terrorist' in the control tower?