Who Cares About the Metaverse?
čas přidán 21. 03. 2023
My actual thoughts on the "metaverse" and VR and AR right now.
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0:00 The Intro
2:15 Who Cares about the Metaverse?
4:44 The Technology
7:59 Is It Actually the Future?
13:33 The Problem
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If Facebook is losing, it means we are winning.
@Luca why?
Cringe
Facebook sucks if i could bring it down i would
@Luca Apple Doesn't have any Social media, also roblox is metas competition in the metaverse
You've mastered your craft and explain these topics better than multi-billion dollar companies. Cheers.
Yes he has 😊
Well he was paid and hired by that multi-billion dollar company so yeah.. technically they explained it to you.
Wow.... you really need to go see other videos that explain exactly how bad Meta is....he just utterly ignored all the negatives.
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Ever notice how most people forced into zoom meetings block video and audio when given the opportunity? Yeah, we damn sure don’t want to be in a vr room with everybody.
It's a little different if you're using VR avatars. More often than not people choose not to include camera because they don't want to get ready or look their best just to attend an online meeting. If you're using VR avatars it doesn't matter at all how you actually look, and muting the mic is still just a click away.
Sure but still much better option over driving for 2hrs to meet in HQ
I totally agree with you and this is also the problem with Big tech now. The players have so much control over the market. I am a big believer in decentralization and if the market allows for meta to succeed in this endeavor we're going to have the same problem we have now of privacy violations as well as the negative effects of manipulation these tech giants have on society.
I just don't want to be disconnected from the real world, and my fear is that they are going to steer technology to force us to use it in order to interact with the popular platforms
Just go and knock to your friend's house, nobody can control this, only you.
@alex lara schools are incorporating tech into learning methods. Many jobs are using robots and coding. So in high end careers, technology of this sort may have a forced entry in society.
VR isn't what you're thinking its like if you came to that conclusion. It doesn't disconnect you from 'the real world' anymore than your room for your computer does. At least, in its current iterations, which use lenses and screens, and for the foreseeable future that's what VR is going to remain (because invasive brain surgery ain't cheap)
@alex lara "in order to interact with popular platforms"
Someone once said it might make you appreciate the real world a bit more.
VR is absolutely sick. so addictive and I couldn't imagine having one as a child.
You did a better job explaining this than a multi billion dollar company
@jay amrutia no
@mycollegeshirt no
Tyra Davis no
@jay amrutia 12:09
True. Marquez says what we *actually* need to know.
This is an excellent presentation, thank you! I've had a lifetime in IT and I think VR and MR are wonderful tools for particular problems, like helicopter flight training. However I have serious reservations about a much broader use, where people might spend more time in the 'verse than they do IRL. The nightmare of the movie "Surrogates" seems prophetic! I also think it a mistake to use VR to emulate reality, such as in the creation of a virtual office building. Recently, a company launched virtual exhibitions, where you could approach a "stand" and interact with the staff members there. I found it rather a wasteful of time to have to navigate a virtual world with stairs and floors - surely there are novel ways to get around when we are free of the physical limitations? I think the same thing about Vegan food - why do they try to create stuff that looks like meat - and meat products like sausages - why not be inventive when free of meaty constraints? I'm not sure you are completely right to be concerned that Meta is developing the underlying system, on top of which apps will be developed by 3rd parties. Isn't this exactly what Microsoft did with Windows for the desktop? Though I have had many gripes about Windows over the years, since Windows 1 (yes, it did exist!) but it does not seem to have hampered the application creators. There *was* an issue with Microsoft applications, at a time when their own apps used undocumented features of the OS, but that was rightly found illegal as it was anti-competitive. Thanks again for a great video!
@Mk1920 True
The originality paradox is the idea that new ideas are usually met with criticism and old ideas recycled are usually revered for their ingenuity. If you stray too far from what the people know and love then they will mostly reject it as an idea. If however they give us what we know in new packaging people will be fooled into thinking it’s a whole new world.
I agree. I have serious issues with any device that can record and track the state and position of everything in and around my person. Zuckerberg has made his stance on ethics crystal clear (ie he doesn't have any), and I'm certain any company under his leadership will use those capabilities in unscrupulous ways. Besides which, I can't imagine why anyone would want to strap an ad-delivery brick to their eyeballs.
Damn...how you explain these things so well. You should be invited to every meetings of these tech companies.
This has to be the greatest overview of meta and what they have planned! Well done!
My god , MKBHD your production quality is insane! I saw your videos quite a few years ago, and I can't remember thinking of this fact, but now watching you, it is insanely good. 🙂
Yes, it’s amazing how much money they’re putting into VR and into the Metaverse, but there’s already a immersive vr world that can be explored easily with limitless bounds called VR chat, yet no one seems to talk about it
The face and eye tracking is next level data collection. If Meta knows what you look at, what content makes you react, what content invokes certain emotions linked to facial expressions, that is data better than even Google has on us now. That's some scary shit imo.
@Just DaliconWestworld comes to mind
@Just Dalicon most cities are built to do exactly that.
@The Network Nerd True. I have a browser that blocks all ads and trackers, but yeah, google has all of my information, that's true. Idk. I just seems like google is less sinister than facebook somehow.
@The Network Nerd cookies are nowhere bear as bad as actual cameras can be Also saying you have depression doesn’t make you any more credible on the subject
@Linux Rambling productions I have depression, and nothing has changed so far lol.
If you enjoy VR/AR I think that it's a good thing. If anything, this is going to get more attention focused on VR as a medium and thus attracting more and more companies to develop in it. I think there is some validity of worrying about Meta tracking eye movements to force feed people advertisements, but people in general are becoming pretty savvy to those little hacky ways of corporations insinuating what they should be buying. I'm getting genuinely curious about the Valve Deckard.
I think this video was really needed, it's crazy to think Marques did a better job at advertising their system than Meta. Makes me consider on getting one now.
Excellent explanation, I am retired but trying to keep up with technology. I bought a Meta Quest 2 and see endless possibilities, especially for those aging in place. I've already had an 85-year-old neighbor buy one after I shared the experience.
Great explainer, and I agree with you. A lot of this stuff seems really cool, especially for hybrid work or being with far away friends, but I really don't want any one company to control it all, let alone Facebook / Meta. I'm reading Snow Crash right now, the novel that coined the term Metaverse. An interesting thing that jumped out at me right away was that while it's a cyberpunk dystopian setting where everything from the police to suburbs is owned by corporations, the Metaverse (a VR environment where you can buy plots of virtual land and then build something on it that other people can visit) is itself referred to as a _protocol_ , so basically just a standard that everyone follows. What Meta wants to build, by comparison, is just... a mall.
Who wants to wear that VR goggles all day? Can't last a hour!
@PIAT that would be cool
@MusicPatron why even use eyes at all, just make the neural implant send the ocular signals to your brain directly, no eyes or screen needed.
@The Gaming Society lookup the Bigscreen beyond, a vr set weighing at only ~140g and the size of swimming goggles, 2160x2160 per eye. The facial interface is also printed with a 3d scan of your face, and fully washable. I dont know about the motion sickness though, I’ve never had it in VR. you’d think having epilepsy would make me prone to it, but i guess not.
Yepp, really. Why do these jerks think people can wear these things all day and be all, just ok with it? Lame.
if it makes your life easier you will; i can see elon musk tying his neural tech to vr headsets so it will make us think we have telekinetic powers. i definitely want this...i want to be able to think of something and it will be automatically searched for and pop up on my line of vision.
What I've found with VR is that people need to find their 'thing' and find it fast or the headset ends up on a shelf collecting dust. It sounds ridicolous to say this but the setup of putting the headset on, finding the controllers, probably booting up the device (which in reality takes 30 seconds) is eons compared to unlocking your always on phone. It's a physical barrier to entry measured in seconds that people don't want to waste. Beat Saber is that aha moment for a lot of new VR users but that'll get the average user to commit to maybe a month's worth of use, but then something incredible (or something necessary for work) needs to come next. E.g. if a native Google Earth app for Quest 2 came, that would be the non-gaming aha moment for the mass user base. For me, IB Cricket, it's the one app/game that brings me back to VR on a daily basis and has done for over a year. Everyone else I know who got a VR headset no longer uses it. The software it still mostly at an impressive tech demo phase.
wow this was me to a T i bought a quest, tried all the free games, and some VR games i had on steam, and eventually stopped using it. i bought beat saber and a headset i havent used for months is now being used atleast every 2-3 days. the barrier to entry is 100% true, but another point is that people follow their behavioural patterns. for me its turning on my computer, so i find it much more convenient then turning on my headset. i could honestly see myself using the quest 2 more than my computer if: 1. it (theoretically) doesn't run out of battery for nearly a full day (then charge it overnight) - ig just charging it while using it fixes this, but i havent done that 2. make it much more comfortable & light weight (seems like their pro version does this, but it's very expensive) 3. link the headset with kb/m, and use the headset instead of the monitor - the screens on VR must be comparable or better to monitor counterparts 4. allow it to link to your phone aswell. if it can be intertwined with things we use on a daily basis, it will also start being used on daily basis- but it needs to be done to a better standard that can recieved organically if these are all achieved, and if the power of VR headsets in future can match what a PC does, i'm certain that it will takeover the computer marketshare, which is massive. why buy a computer when you can buy an all in one package with VR but we're not at that point yet, but it is exciting
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i experienced the same thing! when you want to game you're usually tired after work and just want to relax, if ive got to boot up vr grab my headset and in my case go switch on my base stations, i just cant be bothered, especially if its a roomscale experience, i dont always wanna get up and move around to play a game, more convenience and ease of use will definitely push vr to more people, im not sure how that will be achieved though, maybe at some point we will have a pair of glasses we just never take off, with an always on display giving us notifications and whatnot like a phone would? hmm.
God bless you Marques!! I am seriously glad there are critical thinking REAL human beings like you discussing the reality of this metaverse and other tech topics! I love your channel!
@Mezmerize5 Hey Mez 👋 Stay as awesome as how you've always been! I've got a great plan for you.
@God oh hey God
No i don't, the blessings ended when Adam and Eve decided to disobey my one and only rule that I knew they were gonna break. (Genesis 3 - 16 and Genesis 3 - 17 ) The again humans disappointed me and I had to genocide everyone in a global flood except for 1 family until THEN that one family is the only ones I started to bless and I told them to procreate with each other (incest) to start over the new world (Genesis 1 - 28 )
Very cool showdown, but one problem that I have with Metaverse is that people don't necessarily want the new way of gaming, doing meetings etc. Like they may even want to try but they aren't guaranteed to keep using the new way. I'd say there are psychological reasons to be more disconnected, less immersed, just like there are psychological reasons to doing work remotely. I think there are like 100 ways to do a metaverse-style meeting, that we don't even know how to list now, and there is no reason to think that Meta will just nail this experience from the start.
I feel like trying to get businesses to enforce the vr meetings down on people is a really shady way of doing it and will probably make people put off from it. It would likely work better to try to push the social experiences first in that case, and then work up to businesses from there.
I think it would just take time for people to get use to the new way. For example, when apple pay was first out, none of the stores accept it. Now, everywhere is using it since it is so easy and convenient than having a wallet, and all stores have apple pay devices. But who knows how long it will take for this to catch on
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I want to get into augmented reality. Im not a huge fan of VR yet. but I think there are a lot of practical applications for AR, especially for athletes, and outdoor enthusiasts
I think it will be cool that something like metaverse could be integrated into multiples devices. Like an iPhone, for example. And you can use all the sensors an LiDAR and hardware for that. Or any game console, or a small device kinda like a fire stick or something. I don’t think that a “metaverse” has to be a headset only. Like the internet, like Google, like Facebook. You have to make it easy to access to it, Multi platform, I think if a company accomplish this and make a universal universe then they’ll have the biggest peace of the market.
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Amazing explanation. Thanks for explaining clearly
I think the issue is that nobody wants to live in a world controlled by Meta / Facebook😂
Though it is kinda a cool place to meet with friends, but I cannot imagine all your (my) friends owning their own VR glasses
@Clairifed Verified thank you, linux is a thing
Y e s
Does not sound fun at all
Yes, people would rather let China control them via TikTok LOL
You cleared up for me what's VR and AR, I had no idea, thanks So, I'm a retired old person from South América, and what I feel about that VirtualMetaFuture is what I feel about kitchen gadgets for a person without disabilities You can have several things that chop, cut or slice, which have removable/swichable parts which have to be clean everytime you use them, or just a good, reliable knife which would make all of the above and it would be simpler to clean up, store, and replace if needed The other thing it bothers me to think about is classes, maybe a lot of people would live in that virtual world but, the world is not virtual, someone has to grow food, clean sewers, pick up trash, bury dead people, made those gadgets for VR so some people would have to live in the real, ugly(?) world, at least for a while, everyday And then I wonder, if people decided to always live in that virtual reality where you could have whatever you want or can afford, there's so much real things that may become obsolete, why paint your bedroom if your virtual bedroom color can be changed in the blink of an eye, actually, why would you need a house if in the virtual reality you may have whatever kind of home you may want, maybe the future is people living in a small, windowless room because all their stuff is virtual Anyway, I wonder if in this future, living in the MetaVerse/RealLife would be rationed, given as reward or punishment
Re-surfacing this excellent videos. Could you discuss about the recent AI technology? naming ChatGPT, and how you would imagine Meta would do with generative AI + MetaVerse? It is a very interesting area, but a lot more controversial, it is not just a matter of "if they can generate things", it is also a matter of "should they". similar to the human clone technologies. That will be a very interesting talk to do.
I think it's cool what Meta is doing to bring this tech to the forefront. I didn't know it had windows and mac compatibility that's cool.
Personally, I prefer having MR/VR in a single device (which partially have tha but it's quite lacking). It needs to be quickly interchangeable and mixable but VR needs better tech to make it more convincing so people want to stay in there. High realism (e.g. human-like FOV, realistic rendering, higher brightness, much better hand tracking) and more tangible haptic experience for higher immersion, is very important for VR alongside complementary mixed reality tech (e.g. object recognition, super fast HQ depth scanning) and have that all-in-one device. So people won't need to choose that or that, they'll get it all in a single device and switch between the two as they found fit instantly. Aside from easy setup, outdoor user, comfort and accessibility which are essential as well.
Our son is 22, works in the IT, is a gamer, bought a VR-set about 18 months ago and loved it. But now? Haven't seen him us it for a while ... The things he shows me are fascinating, but nothing I can imagine entering my daily life. Thanks for your effort!
This is why this man is popular. Explains the metaverse better in fifteen minutes than people that take hours.
Not really. He completely ignored the downsides. See other more critical youtubers to explain the MANY things he skipped. He is clearly a Zuck crony. (Examples: After $15Billion it looks worse than 20 year old tech. They beg their employees to use it, but they still don't. And on and on and on.)
Or maybe some people are just very simple minded and have to be spoon-fed everything like little children?
@Thomas Riedel you are correct. Metaverse is using someone's computers for tracking you and their hardware VR system.
@Thomas Riedel Yes. What I meant is metaverse will not work because it doesn't replace reality. But when, VR engine become cheaper where everyone can replace real life with Virtual Reality life, Metaverse will reach its pinnacle. Metaverse will become a huge VR googling where you can "live" inside it. You can read you fave novels, watch movies, hangout with friends, see your favourite heroes in action, shopping, meeting with collagues, schooling, or even VR churces/praying. Imagine when people want to go to pray, they basically get into their VR, and then pray with the others together inside the VR. Kinda bizzare concept. But it highlikely happening eventually. Basically doing everything inside VR metaverse
I had zero interest in the Metaverse and VR until my wife bought our family a Quest 2 for Christmas. Everyone in our house loves that thing and I never thought I'd say it, but I love it too.
If in the future people do work in the meta verse i feel that would be amazing the boss could just monitor all your work and give you promotions and bonuses etc based on the actual work he sees you do
A good video - I think I feel the same question mark around the viability of meta's moves as you. Conceptually the more cheap borderline altruistic framework you lay down as a company, the more your brand can position itself to reap the dividends going forward as microsoft did with windows and alphabet did with google, etc. "who cares about what powers your glorified calculator?" or "who cares about a search engine? the internet's so new you'll find the same 5 sites anyway" - it's a gamble, but if they do materialize VR/AR/MR into a daily driver we can all win off their research and legwork, but like with microsoft and google there's going to be a toll, and sadly for meta shareholders, the quest 2 can't be their last economical push if they want that household name. They have refined both their quest 1 and 2 experiences so well that the difference between purchase and now is like the difference between windows xp and windows 7, so I think it's a good risk but the hardware convenience and entry costs are going to continue to be the make or break factor.
I think apple will enter the vr/ar arena in the next year, probably a demo at the next wwdc. one thing apple does is, well they wait, watch, and if they get into something they do it better, the fit and finish, the experience, is usually top tear stuff. and that should make meta nervous!
Imagine that the meta verse was more advanced. That you could work in it and it works for you. Advanced AI built into the meta verse, that you can ask things or even see and interact with as an entity in the AR environment. It could do your work. Maybe its trained on your behavioural model and can take your place while sick. Do lower level tasks while youre away. Anything is possible if you can imagine it.
Zuck should just let Marques do their presentations. This was so much more enlightening and frankly convincing than the hour long meta keynote.
Well said.
@MrJsv650 ok, disdain then. Better?
@Obsolete CD-Rom hate equals control , Zuck is your master
I actually agree 👍
@xwhite2020 But he'll answer to the gatekeepers if he wants to keep his spot at the top. All platforms come at a cost. You follow your "suggestions" or you lose your spot.
I've had two of the earlier Quest models and one HTC Vive. I used them for active games - boxing, swordplay, etc. Each one of them took severe damage from sweat after very short periods of use, resulting in expensive repair or replacement. Until the hardware is a little more "human proof," meaning it can deal with the fact that liquid forms on our skin when we play the physically exerting games that they offer in the store, it's hard for me to get too excited about VR. I'd say it's unreasonable for me to be upset about sweat, but they actively promote exercise programs in the app store. Granted, not everyone will use their VR headset for sweaty boxing workouts. But people will get makeup, coffee, hair, and all kinds of things tangled up in the headsets. I've been really impressed by what the Oculus (now Meta) level of immersion can be, but very disappointed with how little wear their hardware can take.
Lol I think it’s pretty hilarious how he mentioned the one little pop-up “ask app not to track“ single-handedly has gimped Facebook business. Took down the giant entity like the Death Star
One way i think VR could add color into the bot world is by using VR to pick up your kids from school with a self driving car. Like performing complex operations like sorting packages at delivery station, cooking delicacies like performing surgeries trough robotic hands while you stay put at home.
This will make meetings way better, for companies and communications this is amazing. Plus, kids will love it. So I can see it being a thing for sure. Movies, meetings, games, porn, and whatever people come up with past that. Those new avatars are the key I think.
Hands down the best explanation of everything in one video
I like real life a lot more. The special effects are insane. Incredible detail
@thewind23r what a concept, the best video game is life
@Maciej Grabowski yes but I need my VR googles connected to the drone to see above the fog 😉
@blise518B watch sunrise in the foggy weather. really nice effects, no danger
Can you use magic in real-life? Can you physically fly all by yourself? Can you go through walls? Can you ride a dragon? If you ever practiced lucid dreaming (I tried it only a little bit and was only a little bit successful in forcing it) you would know that being able to do these things, even if just in your mind, is quite satisfying...
The other day I saw a butterfly in my garden, the pixel count was incredible.
wow after watching this I actually see what they're going for. Honestly though, I would be interested if it was just a really well designed meeting room and workplace, nothing more. Makes sense for working from home.
This whole thing looks awesome. I have to watch the talk on this headset but I'm curious how long they're going to back the new headset or will they move on to the next set in like 2 years. Also, where does the eye tracking stop....retinal scan, possible subliminal messaging worse than commercials do (ex: making you want that juicy burger). I agree though, there should be more competition in the space.
I think a great use for VR would be to craft and model 3D objects in a virtual space. But also for music and concert experiences. Imagine doing a Comedy Show in VR, where everyone in the Audience is in VR too, but you can also use props that you summon into the virtual space or even videos or images, music and evocative environments especially when telling a story you have the backdrop or even the entire place change. That would be dope.
You might wanna check out adobe medium ;)
Meetings would be cool IF you weren't being recorded the whole time. Will your boss be able to track you? I'm super excited for AR. Seems like it'd be fun to play games in AR.
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Honestly, I think the metaverse is a really great concept and idea, though it's so ahead of where technology can really take it right now.
Why anyone would trust to live inside a world projected by Mark is beyond scary.
No technology is inherently bad. It's the intention of the controller of the technology that matters. Power isn't inherently bad, but in the wrong hands, sure to be misused.
Your Kids and all New Generations WILL. This is Not for us older Generations. The same way our parents need help understanding the Internet and smartphones, our kids and grand kids will be the ones helping us understand this new type of tech and how to use it.
Why would people voluntarily pay an HOA to control their lives even more than they are already controlled? "Freedom of choice is what you got, freedom FROM choice is what u want". --Devo.
@Hrmn No, it absolutely cannot. You cannot run bias on an open market social media platform with ads.
I think this is good, only if it’s being used for corporate meetings, where everybody can’t get to the same location. But if it’s going to be used for socialization, then that is a really bad thing. For instance, I witnessed my son, a young vibrant kid that wanted to go outside every single day all day and play with his friends to now being a 19-year-old that would rather sit in his room and say he has friends on line and play games with them. I believe he would be perfectly fine with never leaving his room as long as someone would bring him food and he could get an occasional shower. I believe this type of thing is eventually going to be the downfall of man. We need human face-to-face interaction to survive. Just my opinion though. On a sidenote, I don’t know if I’ll ever be a grandfather. When I was 19 I was out looking for women.
That video was so insightful. Especially the last section related to the problems. The regulators will definitely look into that.
I think augmented will be more of a everyday equipment. I like that the images are projected for the user instead of being displayed directly onto your eyes.
Augmented reality is what I'm interested in. That technology could make life easier. Imagine not having to carry a phone. Instead, it's just projected into your ar glasses. You touch the keypad by poking into the air with you hands. That would be much more natural. Typing on a phone is awkward. We just accept it because we don't know any different. But trust me, AR would be much better as you would be moving your hands through 3D space instead of touching a flat screen. AR phones would be a far more natural human experience.
The biggest problem with VR is how "tired" it makes you. Hard to explain but its very real.
I'm just imagining how amazing it would be to use a VR headset and the metaverse as a time travelling machine. Walking through London in the 1900's, or through an Ancient Greek city with all the stunning architecture.
@PXLDNKY77 My guy acting like this is 40 year old technology. I have tried simulations like this in VR but they are very bland and early stage. It's nowhere near what it could be.
Bro people been doing that for a long time
You have a gift for explaining very complicated subjects to everyday people.
LOL, yeah and he has a gift for ignoring all the negatives. Figures you don't meet Zuck if you know how to be critical. See the many other other videos that explain why Meta really, really, really sucks.
Gift? Or a decade of perfecting.
its not that complicated dawg
@Atilla Alsan fcebook has a bigger team , then why are they so bad ?
The virtual computer screens are the first major use of AR that I've seen that made me go "Oh I can see myself using that." the key for it though is that I'll want to be able to plug the headset into my computer and just use it as an extension to that and/or be able to plugin my own keyboard and mouse and just use the headset like I would a laptop. They keep trying to market it as a replacement, but really I thing it sounds more appealing as an enhancement ontop of what I already use.
It's awesome but I doubt if the graphics is powerful enough to display images as good as a normal screen.
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You always make things easy to understand!
The thing with VR is that it seems to me like a high INT low WIS solution to problems you've described. As a programmer who works remotely just sharing a screen is more than enough for my meetings, and I can imagine people who work in other office-ish jobs just sharing a screen to share notes, make presentations or whatever. Humans are creative and most of all lazy. No matter how many money they pour to make a top-tier VR headset and all the technology behind it, humans will almost always prefer the simpler version, and Meta might realize too late that their solution isn't simple at all.
I love this channel! Recently, I have been wondering: who is waiting for Metaverse, actually? Whenever I hear or read about it, I always bump into the keyword "immersive." That sounds cool but WHO wants to be immersed? People whom I know, especially those who are active in blockchains, bet on *others" to be the future Metaverse users. No one wants to live in a matrix - but many want to make money on (imaginary) people who do.
Who wants to be immersed? What do you think people are doing on the internet or phones all day. They are already immersed. If i sit using a PC all day or VR all day, what is the actual difference. This is probably a hot take, but I wouldn’t mind a matrix type thing. I bet it will be possible in my lifetime with BNI. All your feelings, senses, everything you can possibly interface with can be simulated, it’s all just chemicals and electronic pulses in your brain, who’s to say you aren’t already simulated. Either way, it doesn’t matter. What I’m trying to say is that it doesn’t matter if something is real or not, since it will feel real to you.
Well VR (and AR) have a lot of potential benefits. I also imagine that a lot of disabled people will find a kind of freedom there? As to immersing. VR is no view of the real world. But here are a few examples of people who love immersion: Start with home theater owners. As that was my business, I can say nothing like having a nice 100" or 140" screen to watch movies. I still don't get watching Avatar or Star wars on an iPhone, or even a 65" TV... Too small to do the content justice. A lot of folks keep buying bigger and bigger "TVs" because they like greater immersion. In my theater, darkened, you are barely aware of the room, thanks to both immersive visuals - and sound. Remember mono? Stereo (better immersion) is preferred, and hey, nothing like full Dolby Atmos but that's overkill for most... Concerts: People prefer (if they can afford) to sit closer. That puts you closer to the "action." In a typical venue, if you are in the 5th row or the 30th row, the sound will likely be about identical (I always go for the center seats,, of course). The point is, what's the fun of viewing the band from 250 feet back... just my 2cents PS I am waiting. current Oculus and other sets, I think are still too low resolution. 1080p? 8K is probably where we need to be since we want 110 - 150 degrees of view vs say 40 degrees watching a computer monitor.
I agree it’s not that interesting and I don’t think there’s much hype
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Agree with you, also i think these blockchain people are most likely the only people who are most willing to use this meta things by them self
great video, am with you 100% on one company controlling everything is not good for the people. I have a family member who facebook account got disabled for nor reason & since facebook also owns whatsapp & instagram, he has been locked out of all 3 apps without a possibility of getting in touch with support to clarify the identity & resolve any violations if any. Life isn’t going to end because of it but it’s not fare when you get kicked out without a possibility to defend yourself against bot acting as a judge and wrongfully accusing users and disabling accounts.
Ugly situation, at least there's TikTok... Wow to get locked out of all three, must be a republican politician?😉
He now can enjoy real life and peace! They did him a favor!
The core concept of my workplace being made unthreatening and cartoonified and beamed directly into my eyeballs is just too dystopian to me and it always will be.
@P4INKiller That's why I became self employed
i'll install the zootopia mod, then in metaverse everyone is a furry ^.^
It's too bad you may not have a choice in the matter. Me too.
Tell me you work with a tedious dead-end job without telling me you work with a tedious dead-end job.
True but having a headset instead of 3 or 5 Monitos is quite nice. I saw a lot of videos who were braggig heavily about meta but right know I can see at least a lil bit of the benefits. Still I dont think the stock will be recovering anytime soon.
Beautiful beautiful review, insight and thoughts, I work for meta and I think this is super insightful! Keep bring it… huge fan! ❤
Thanks Marques. This is so clear and well explained
Thanks for telling this and getting aware the people, now I am more calmed that you showed that if meta continues as the only one to develop the metaverse then is like the company ownership final of ready player one
I believe Meta missed a trick. 1st, they should have turned Facebook into a 3D world, viewed on members existing screens. They could make THAT accessable with VR headsets, but without them being compulsory. Once the general user is hooked on that format (which IS addictive) they would perhaps entertain the idea of a headset for Xmas "as an experiment"...
That's right. Make the social media content in 3D, make it accessible without a vr headset and then make the experience more engaging with VR.
Great job explaining this. I still dont care, but I understand it way better now. Thank you.
Meta being able to track all your micro expressions sounds like a fantastic idea that will lead to a great future
@CODPOOL YT I am open source kind of girl myself doubt I will ever shout good things about any company lol
That didnt really help the overall experience
@Fake Name he said it's only the nestle nesquik strawberry flavour that you should avoid, he said the chocolate and all the other ones are fine, I'd still avoid that brand in general though, apparently they tried so hard to get the truth out of him but he just wouldn't give in
What would be ground breaking idea in VR or AR would be a reality where the ai could teach you a new skill or even a trade by showing things to mimic in real time along with hearing the knowledge about what you are learning along with it. We all know practice makes perfect. So repetitively practicing an ai driven AR simulation would allow someone to learn a new skill super fast. Our bodies have a memory to it and after a certain amount of time doing something it becomes second nature in the subconscious mind. Learning a new skill would be so much more fun!
Imagine trying to learn a 2nd language in a series of immersive worlds/scenes/experiences where live people and AI-crafted "people" speak and interact with you. I'm thinking like shopping, at a club, in a park, at a family party, etc....
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this is the best presentation I've seen about Metaverse. Well done @Marques
This video is really amazing. And we can use it as a tutorial on eg. how to say that something has extremely bad battery life or how to take for granted that something is amazing and works although it doesn't ... I don't know how well rehearsed our friend is, but surely this is a great promoting video.
Having been deeply involved in VR for 6 years working with others who have been in it for decades, my observation from Facebooks previous failures at VR, is that they are still a tiny player on the scheme of the VR scale especially in VR social platforms. Gaming is only a small part of VR.
Thanks great video I like the fact that you have a lot of content and reflections in your video. Thought provoking too.
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My issue with this is that it's obviously going to be a massive data-harvesting vehicle for these guys. You said, "you can lean over to your coworker and say something in a meeting" and yeah, that sounds realistic and interesting, but when I do it in real life, it's just me and that person. If I'm doing it in this Meta world, it's going into a microphone and then into my coworkers ear. So there's nothing stopping Meta from hearing me say, "Want to go get some pizza after this?" and then you've served up your own advertisement to them. More importantly, there's nothing stopping Facebook from providing a transcript of every single thing being said at this meeting to your boss. So if you lean over to a coworker and say, "This meeting is garbage. It will do nothing to help safety, this is only about padding their investors pockets." what is to stop your boss from hearing this? Nothing. There's nothing to stop the elimination of privacy here, and we need to stop this immediatly. If you have this in your home, there's even worse potential for privacy issues. It's absurd people are even considering this. It's bad enough that people have listening devices like Alexa, Siri, Google home, etc all built into their houses. This is trying to get into every corner of our lives. There will be no more "getting away" to relax. It'll be "relax, sponsored by Bud Light!" and everyone is diving right in.
@joelface which, naturally, would be a premium feature with a huge price tag.
@joelface Given facebook/meta's track record with user privacy, they would not honour any sort of privacy whatsoever and would literally break the law if it meant getting more of that juicy, profitable data. In fact, they already have been caught doing so, multiple times, in the EU. Who in their right mind would think they WOULDN'T be spying on you at all times!?
For marketing purposes, Facial tracking creates the most accurate consumer profiles. The companies that have access to it will have subconcious level understanding of consumers. Plus Meta is super shady with data.
Yep, I agree 100%!
Why is this something we need? Honestly trying to understand the Metaverse value proposition
Vr could become the normal hub for which people do everything on socializing, entertainment, work. Vr would give everyone access to everything around the world instantly. You want to go to the movies with friends after work, you're there. You're late for work, you're already there. Meta sees this as becoming "the real world".
@RandomGrin agreed, when I'm in meetings with a bunch of people, everyone is muted and usually only two or 3 people talk.
LOL you are not the only one. In reality, I'm in zoom meetings every day and no one turns on the camera. No one wants to see avatars around a desk. Basically, the best it will ever be is a gaming device.
I work remote, and i tried to use a virtual desktop so i could have multiple giant curved monitors while being in an "outdoor" setting. But it just felt so bad. It was so hard to do simple tasks. So idk maybe it would be cool but it needs to be so much better.
One important problem with the future Meta is heading towards is its assumption that verisimilitude is the de facto standard when it comes to the way we choose to represent ourselves. Outside of Zuckerverse, people are enjoying the liberating potential of choosing avatars that represent they way they really "want to be" and not the way they "actually look." Gender, age, physical form, even species, all of these can be potentially tweaked with the avatar you choose to represent yourself and many people consider THAT to be one of the advantages of the metaverse not available in the physical world.
Meta should hire you as the spokesperson, but they might give you a script and stiff shoulders. Awesome vid!
I would LOVE a Star Trek Holodeck. I'm surprised technology hasn't gotten there yet, but it is hard to do.
if you think it's weird when an add pops up for something you've spoken about, just imagine what it'll be like with meta secretly watching every single meeting, social interaction, date, etc...
@SerbiagamingIsCool Stil not as accurate as tracking microinteractions 24/7
@HamHamHampster people are acting like the companies dont already know every single thing about you, like, cry about it, but it is what it id
Is it even a secret though? Pretty sure Meta spying on you will be part of the ToS, and some people will still use it anyway.
My take is that due to lack of effective marketing and poor reputation the consumer does not see the future in the same way that Meta does. The metaverse is effective when being a collaboration between multiple companies, not a single one, otherwise there are many incompatible meta verses competing with one another. As you mentioned, AR is not being marketed very much, although it does take on this compatibility approach which is very effective (I saw you were using it with a MacBook, apple is a competitor). From my experience, the way that it is being touted is feeding into this dystopian perception that consumers have. I would like this to change since I do believe that Meta is doing incredible work, but it is at its core a rotten business that many would like to see fail.
The ending talking about one company having this control is the key here for me and the biggest factor to consider
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Seems like most of the time doing your work in VR or AR would add to the work you have to do. Adding more animations, more details, is not actually the best for getting info fast and accurate or creating things without being an artist or computer programmer. What I'm saying is that most of the info I interact with, the most important info, the most helpful info, is all text based. Writing words remains king for the very reason that it is the most stripped down version of communication and yet also nearly unlimited in what can be created and described. A screen connected to the internet is extremely useful as it connects me to text more easily. I'm not sure VR improves on that. So why would I bring it into my work?
Mate, I've barely reached the middle of this video and I've clicked the Like. This is a real Business class you have shared with us. Thanks for that! Greetings from Brazil!
Wow, Marques, I haven’t watched a video in quite some time but I’ve been subbed for at least 7 or 8 years. You’ve grown up, you’ve become very successful. Your family must be proud.
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I think AR/VR needs an open ecosystem, otherwise we will either have a monopoly/duopoly or many competing services that are not compatible with each other. If this grows as big as Meta is betting, it will probably get regulated in some way (like messaging intercompatibility), but it would be nice to have that early on.
@Catsrules1 it is still an android. You can root it and change the OS. You can take control the whole hardware because android is open source and we know the code. Can we do the same on apple devices? No because it is not open source yet no one talks about it. I don’t think so any company is fool enough to not ask their login info before setting up device. Even google needs your google account to setup pixel phones.
@Nitin Jaiman The oculus is very locked down. Try using it without an account. Or try to load a secondary OS on it. Try playing Oculus games on another headset. It maybe built on open source technology but i wouldn't call it open source at all.
That would be amazing. Imagine Apple forced to be interoperable when they launch their headset 😂😂😂 Tim Cook would be so mad on not being able to gate their users inside their ecosystem
I think people need to get outside, let the breeze hit them, touch grass, and hear the birds chirping, VR will always just be a hobby/niche at best, not everyone will be waking up to strap a headset on themselves repeatedly. Really think how you live your life and ask yourself, am I going to dedicate my life to VR? Chances are you will definitively say no. AR on the hand, while still not going to take over, at least can incorporate reality. AR is more of the future than VR.
Brilliant high-level view. You should definitely review Neuralink down the line, as in time, it will take AR/VAR to a whole different level...
One of the most important take aways from this is that people will learn their profession from AR. No more having to go to uni people will just AR at home….
I couldn't help but think, "Isn't this just an advanced version of Nintendo Wii". I was glad when you said something like that. But anyways, thanks for this video; I have a clearer perspective on what this meteverse thing is about now.
I simply am not interested enough in giving up the "real world" for VR. I seriously considered buying the Meta Quest Pro and thought "I'll be bored with this inside of a month".
I always imagained vr giving people a virtual shopping cart and go into stores virtually and actually try clothes on try tools etc.
I think Meta's biggest challenge will be getting over the invasive nature of AR. Like with the forcing to watch ads, it's going to be hard to convince people Meta's future isn't putting the exhaustion of the internet on your face 24/7.
@mack revinack They're upfront about ads because the actual target market is advertisers. Not end users. The end users are simply the product being sold.
@QTcollect whenever I'm exercising, I always think "boy, I sure would like a bulky plastic headset attached to my head, that completely obscures my vision of the real world and any obstacles that might cause me to injure myself or break something". This is a perfect example of the thinking that is behind the metaverse's failure. You have to think of applications for it in the real world. The utility it provides to the average person, be it business, leisure, or exercise, is so low that you have to search for places where it might have a use. Actually good products don't need people to think of ways to use them, their utility is obvious and self-evident which is why they appeal to a customer base. But good products exist to fill a need consumers have, not to be monetizes platforms under corporate control. People look at the metaverse and simply think "I neither want nor need this" and that's why it's failing so badly. Most of the hypothetical uses either require the tech to be much better or aren't actually a better way of doing things.
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its weird that they are being upfront about there being ads. the usual way is to start something ad-free and then introduce the ads when they have got enough people hooked
I personally think Meta is going to be acquired by google because Apple is close to releasing they’re own mixed reality headset with the App Store support. What meta fails is the lack of developers in the community whereas google can help shorten the gap. Apple (ARKit) and google (ArCore) have a huge support in Ar coding libraries. With rumors, Apple has the advantage so as long the goggles are reasonably price. I would give Microsoft 3rd place in the race due to the HoloLens 2 but with no successful mobile OS. Good chance these tech giants well start making glasses version using phones computing power via stream.
My take is that it'll likely end in disaster for Meta. But 50-100 years down the road VR will be much more prevalent in everyday life and everyone will be all "Meta was ahead of it's time."
This is why we have reviewers and unboxers. To explain the things to non-robots that PR and Marketing teams can't.. or won't. Such a symbiotic relationship.
I mean I guess if you could do perfect pass through AR with my current keyboard and mouse but then I got to use VR projected monitors that were full desktop size, and they were full definition with an AR device that didn't give me a headache or eye strain, and was portable it would essentially replace my monitor? Idk I just don't see it yet, I think it would be cool to attend VR classes from home, and I like the idea of the larger monitors, I just don't think the future value proposition equates the huge amount of money being spent by Meta, they're acting like he headsets are gonna replace the entire internet, but I don't think regular screens not strapped to your head are going away anytime soon, I have an Oculus and let me tell you I haven't picked it up in months, I mean beat saber is cool, but it's just a novelty, don't find myself wanting to go back to it, very different from other true technological paradigm shifts, I just think Facebook might be to early, they're basically trying to single handedly pull the future technology into the present to gain an advantage, it's possible, just don't know if it's monetarily worth it, I mean they are spending a ridiculous amount of money on this, like it boggles the mind, 20 billion a year on VR and AR development, just seems they'll fail and someone in the future will actually make it happen by standing on the shoulders of previous developments.
It is perfectly normal to feel uncomfortable when participating in a virtual call on Zoom and be apprehensive about turning on your camera or microphone. Nobody enjoys being in a video/audio conversation with everybody present, which can be intimidating and compromise your privacy.
What I respect is MKBHD walking with Zuck and not flinching to criticize his ideas fairly! Respect! Thats what I expect from an honest creator!
@UnderratedBlastoise I mean can't really say much if they are consistently delivering what their consumers expect them to. No one asked for the metaverse or all this tracking when they first started FB, or any other service.
@UnderratedBlastoise He criticizes Apple products all the time
@UnderratedBlastoise when has he said something stupid Or something that is obviously wrong from apples part but he justified it
If only he would do the same with the dictators at Apple..
I think that VR companies should focus on immersive gaming and making it way better. Like what if you could connect a VR headset to your Xbox or PS5 and not only play VR games, but play call of duty or something. Still using a controller, and the most it does is allow you to look around and feel like you are in the game.
My prediction for the future (perhaps the far future)... AR is it. VR will always be a niche curiosity, and AR is what will be dominant in culture.
11:20 Ok, when this meta thing achieve this kind of fidelity on graphics in the metaverse then I'm gonna go for it haha Insane!