Why the US Army electrifies this water
čas přidán 21. 08. 2022
The Chicago and Sanitary Ship Canal is the path that invasive carp would take to reach the Great Lakes. So to stop them, the US Army Corps of Engineers has installed an electric barrier. Although for obvious reasons, I didn't get to see it close up. [The interviewee is project manager Jeff Zuercher, whose name caption got missed out! Apologies, Jeff.]
Sources, apart from the interview and the team I talked to:
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www.npr.org/2009/12/04/121104...
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Edited by Dave Stevenson www.davestevenson.co.uk/
Thanks to Captain Nate at Peoria Carp Hunters peoriacarphunters.com/
I'm at tomscott.com
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Sources, apart from the interview and the team I talked to:
www.npr.org/templates/story/s...
www.npr.org/2009/12/04/121104...
www.npr.org/templates/story/s...
apnews.com/article/d44c3701de...
dnr.wi.gov/news/mediakits/mk_...
Edited by Dave Stevenson www.davestevenson.co.uk/
Thanks to Captain Nate at Peoria Carp Hunters peoriacarphunters.com/
I'm at tomscott.com
on Twitter at twitter.com/tomscott
on Facebook at facebook.com/tomscott
and on Instagram as tomscottgo
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One of the safety rules I had to follow while filming was "don't touch two different metal things at the same time", just in case of any stray voltage. That's how powerful the barrier is.
@tom I dont understand why they dont just catch the fish for eating.
All this tells me is that those dead seagulls i see on the beach at the Lake are dead from toxin ingestion from the fish in that area.
Get cat Fish
Shocking
did your cameraman died
Loved how he explained how a fish could get knocked out and essentially wake up like someone would in a ditch after a bender.
He explained about little vs big fish and that should have been enough for a science aware person like you. Take falling from a height. A mouse is stunned, a human breaks their spine, and a horse splats Applications of force on containers of different size
@Davis White if you have enough voltage to break through the skin you'll get enough amperage to stop a heart. There's no amperage across a load without sufficient voltage to go through that specific load or turn it from a isolator to a conductor. Styropyro and electroboom made videos on what kills you and turns out it's voltage, amperage and time combined.
@Black Lesbian Poetbender has another meaning, here- like when you go out on the lash, go on a mad sesh, get pure wrecked for days, get clean rinsed, etc. i.e. drink a load of booze and possibly take some recreational drugs... Then wake up in a ditch later. Sure it's happened to the best of us. 😀🌈💕
@Davis White I had the same questions and I read a bit about it, is about the size and voltage per inch as they say in the video for a human it gets around 220v so is deadly for a fish is enough (his size) 6-10v to small 30-50 to big to stun them but not kill them( at least not all of them , 95% survive ) .
What did he do?
“US Army Electric Fish Barrier” is objectively incredibly funny and just seems like one of those web titles you’d see in Futurama as a headline for a news paper
@Carl Holland what’s went back migratuin
you say objectively.....you don't know how to use that word
@woody wood rude
I remember when they were setting this up. that was a scary few years. A lot of people thought it was too late. At one point they found a carp in the lake, so they literally poisoned a several mile stretch of the lake, killing everything so they could examine all the fish corpses. I dont remember if they found more. But these barriers couldnt go up fast enough. Ironically the lake is now being killed by clams. The water has never been cleaner, but they're apparently causing problems for other species As for closing the canal. It might be the right choice, but it will never happen. Chicago doesnt exist without the canal. I honestly believe they might go as far as poisoning the entire river before they closed the canal. It's that important to so many industries across multiple states.
It's always something or another in the lakes endangering everything.
Zebras have been in Erie for decades already.
jesus they treat these things like zombies, nuking entire areas and setting up insane military fortifications to stop them..
@ericofire everyone gives Erico a round of shout outs and thanks for his patient and contribution to our society🙌
@thomas robinette but also you should probably watch the six minute video before you start asking questions as you save everyone's time. Tom put in a lot of effort to quickly answer all of the questions you had. Then we can get to the fun more complicated stuff!
Finally someone of decent size commented on this. Believe it or not, my father got knocked out from an Asian carp jumping out of the water on the Illinois around the time this started. The things can get huge (by Midwestern standards).
@Sebastian Ascencio great for fish balls then I suppose since it's all ground. Anyways damn... sucks that they can't easily be eaten
Ooo, ive seen monster hunters. It flails out of the water like a giant an Arapaima!
i mean they can weigh up to 30 pounds, and im not sure the speed with which they fly but it probably means a surprising amount of force.
Where I live, we have jumping mullet in our canal. They will often smack into the boats or lifts and kill themselves. You’ll hear a massive thump or metallic thump and see one floating. And one time my dad was setting off in his kayak and one jumped up and just missed him, smacking the kayak and falling into the water, stunned, before swimming off.
Kyle Hill is another youtuber who made a video on this and he got 2.5 million views, not as big as Tom scott but still decent size and worth watching if you want
It's a constant battle. The Great Lakes are also constantly fighting other invasive species like Zebra Mussels. They're non-native and mess with all kinds of things. I believe they arrived in the ballast water tanks of large ships.
@Newsome24 did you know that it is possible to care about multiple issues at the same time?
@Newsome24 I do hope this is satire.
I think we have bigger issues to worry about. Social justice for one, diversity and inclusion another.
I hope the carp don't figure out how to dig a tunnel past this. Those carpal tunnels can be wicked.
Greatest Dad Joke of the Quarter
😂😂😂
I see what you did there 😂
Oh, that's terrible! But in a good way 😊
womp womp.
It's so sad the damage that invasive species can cause because they were introduced as a quick fix to a problem. I'm sure that most Aussies know about Cane toads, but they were introduced to deal with cane beetles. Unfortunately their toxins kill a lot of native animals and they now can be found all over eastern Australia. Humans can make such a huge impact with small decisions.
Colonizers, not humans in general. The fault lies within you colonists alone. You're not all of humanity and a representative you are not in any way shape or form.
Unfortunately carp are a huge problem in Australia as well.
@Pranav Bhamidipati a diverse ecosystem is a resilient ecosystem. Healthy ecosystems clean the air and water, regulate the climate, recycle nutrients, and provide us with food and other resources.
That electric grid in the water is terrifying and I'm sure effective. I say terrifying because I had a friend years ago killed by being electrocuted in water. Faulty wiring on the boat dock, he dropped something in the water, went in to get it, horrible way to go. I wasn't there but I still get emotional thinking about that whole mess.
bruh literally jumped in the water thinking he was Pikachu fr fr ong ong no cap sheesh hope he respawns soon bruh see him at 2:30 to tackle the new warzone map bzzzt ⚡⚡⚡⚡
I knew one of the carp that died here,I'm so sad ....
@Jim Reily My last company took a life insurance policy on me naming themselves as the sole beneficiary then sent me on suicide calls. When I found out, I went on my own. Owner operators like me can get stuck and fried. We never make the news. 8 guys were killed one night in a battery room explosion. Lawyers were at their homes in the morning with big checks and NDAs. Another 4 were killed in a distribution explosion, same thing.
@Greg Chambers Is this common to electricians ? That many of their friends and all their bosses die ? Or are burned or disfigured ? I've never thought of being an electrician as such a dangerous job. Is this when you're working for a big company or, would it happen to the average house electrician or electrician who does work on local businesses etc too ?
Are you sure that is what really happened? Or maybe you pushed him in!
I was the engineer on a boat that regularly passed through here while the barrier was being built and later while it was in 24/7 operation. The narrator is telling it like it is; we were not allowed on tow or on deck while transiting the barrier. I understand that a second barrier is to be built on the downstream of Brandon Road Lock in Joliet, as well. They have highway style programmable warning signs above and below the barrier, my crew wanted to hack the signs so that the last line it displayed was "FISH FRY TONITE!" 🙂
I actually worked on the barrier with USACE to help them transition from a privately ran electrified barrier to one ran by USACE themselves! I created a blueprint of the whole electrical barrier and of all the equipment that’s there. I focused mainly on the printed circuit boards that powered and talked to the barrier, while my coworkers worked with the code that was sent from the computers to the barrier itself.
@Donavan Hoff Nobody wires electronic circuit boards by hand. You have to blueprint them so they can be etched by chemicals and light layer by layer automatically. PCB design is a a vital process for the design of embedded systems like those used for specialized equipment like this.
@Xerofire bc he didn’t, why would u Need a blueprint to work on circuit boards. And it was already built, already had a blueprint, how else would it have been constructed
@Donavan Hoff he made a blueprint and equipment for it??? Did u not read it or sum
So in other words you we there not doing anything while everyone else worked… got it.
Yea okay 😬
Asian carp have ruined the fishing and water quality of so many lakes around where I live, I shudder thinking of how catastropic it would be if these fish get to the great lakes. Thanks Tom for helping to raise awareness about this huge issue!
One interesting thing not mentioned: the local paramedics have been given a 'no rescue' order. If you foolishly go into or near the electrified water and become injured, no one will come save you. The risks to the rescue personnel are too high.
I work in the area of this on FD and water rescue . They won’t turn it off for anyone. Takes a presidential order to turn off the electricity. They will wait for the body to pass through the area until it’s safe
Good to hide bodies
Darwinism...
Throwing a rope is too dangerous? Nonsense
CS-tv needs to recommend more educational and informative videos like this to EVERYONE. Although this particular one would not relate to audiences across the board, but the human mind is curious. I think the population would benefit greatly.
That’s been my problem with CS-tv for a little while. I could spend a week or two watching more educational stuff or long form discussion. After that I’ll watch garbage stuff for 1 day. After that one day my options will overwhelmingly the garbage stuff. I wish we could adjust the algorithm to seek out more educational stuff.
Until the carp find out...
European carp entered Australia's outback waterways in the 1970s and devastated the native biota fish crayfish and most of the river vegetative species. It took nearly fifty years for any sort of correction to take place leaving the whole system today completely corrupted
@oldbloke135 and consumers gladly ate up the cheap fish ensuring the practice of said business men continued or spread and increased.
European common carp didn't "enter" Australia, people took them there, same as they did in the USA as far back as the 1800s. Carp have been reared as food in Europe for centuries and misguided businessmen thought breeding and selling them was an easy way to make money. What they didn't take into account was that in warmer waters they spread like wildfire.
inaction of Aus government they just don't give a 2 clocks about environment.
One of my favour parts of these videos is seeing the control systems for the processes. I work in industrial automation and very often have worked with things like the computers and instruments that are just a background element in the B-roll. I believe in one video it's stated that that really isnt' where Tom's interest lies, part of me enjoys that a bart of the videos that I am intersted in get no additional detail.
@Jesse Sleight I think it's partly wondering about the solutions myself, how I would be trying to control the systems or what about them is important. Also partly it's kind of par for the course for controls work, even the people who work closest with us don't really understand what we do.
@Jesse Sleight maybe it's knowing you're a mystery to everyone else
Why do you enjoy that there is no additional detail about your interests in the video?
It's so exciting to see those systems isn't it?
It’s incredibly scary to think what would happen if these defenses fail. Been unsettled by this ever since I learned about the carp problem. And I’m not even from the US
its amazing how such a big project with tens of millions invested could be ruined by a single person if someone decides to throw a few carp in the river upstream
That's what happened in NZ, we had one rogue 'eco terrorist' who bred and released exotic fish all around the north island before he was caught. Quite interesting, but the damage he caused was massive
If you said "Guess why you can't kayak from the Gulf of Mexico to the great lakes." none of my guesses would be "because of a deadly electric fish barrier."
go around it
You can portage around it.
@Rustyxd63 it's called a hurricane and a lab being destroyed
@867diesel more surface area you take up the worse the charge. Fish 🐟 human
Same
I wonder if a way to make this more effective would be to make it a lock. When a barge or boat goes in it get locked in, and the boat is grounded by a mooring line, and the crew removed. Then the water is electrified to a much higher voltage then it is now killing everything. Then the crew can go on their way. It would be a lot more work but I think it would be much more affective and still allow travel. Would this work the way im thinking?
Maybe a screen type of electric gate…
@mycroft16 True, at that point it's just a gate
That actually feels like a solid idea... and it wouldn't have to be a lock in the traditional sense as water level is the same on both sides... it just needs to a temporarily sealed section of canal. Significantly simpler than a lock.
Thank you Tom! Always so interesting and well presented. Sad how many times human-kind's best intentions have resulted in catastrophe (spitting atoms, an' all that).
I was quite surprised to recognize the Romeoville arch in the background of the thumbnail. For years I worked in shipping on a boat that went through this spot regularly. We were required to be inside the boat when passing through what was known locally in our industry as the 'fish fryer'. The carp are a real problem.
I grew up and live in South Florida where the invasive pythons are destroying the Everglades by literally eating all of the native birds and animals etc. Sadly there strong speculation that someone released their "pet" python into the ecosystem at on point unleashing this disaster. I have vacationed on the Great Lakes(Michigan and Superior) with my family and both lakes are magnificent. My real fear is some deranged individual in some form of ecoterrorism is going to intentionally release carp into the Great Lakes which will make this system null and void. I pray it never happens but into todays world sadly nothing surprises me anymore.
Nope. Exotic pet stores were destroyed during hurricane Andrew and the pythons got away.
@goingcrossroads ...Just as long as they aren't....shellfish...
Damn there's some selfish, ignorant people...
This is such a funny example for how seemingly small mistakes sometimes require literally giant solutions
For anyone interested, a similar barrier has been proposed for the Suez canal in Egypt, to prevent fish from the Indian Ocean come to the Mediterranean. This migration is apparently facilitated by rising sea temperatures, and invasive species are already making a dent on the fish of the great Med. Most of them are inedible too (or even toxic to humans) so this is also a potential economic disaster for millions of people.
@TV Viewer yes they are, there is factual evidence for this and it is something being closely monitored because of the huge impact it has on ocean life.
@Hotmen _pro_ I never did decide what's funny or not to everyone, I just implied that intelligent and sane people tend to have higher standards. That doesn't make me a hypocrite because what I said doesn't go against previous statements. You should learn definitions before trying to recycle my words into a convulted dumbed down mess. The only ironic thing I see here is how your much effort you put into trying to squash other opinions while seething about how the voicing of different opinions is squashing yours.
@Panther Heart The Druid 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So rather then fix the cause of the rising temperatures we will do more things which cause it to raise even faster? Then when a few inevitably slip through it will have all been for not? Normally in a case like this you accept the disaster is coming and plan around that.
I can't imagine the energy needed to operate this.
@mycroft16 Capacitors don't magically make more energy, they are just needed to be able to release high amounts in a short period of time such as required by this application.
I would imagine they probably use a system of hydroelectric power to charge the capacitors.
A lot, but probably less than you'd think... thanks to those huge banks of capacitors.
Yes it will not work in California.
Carp have "taken out" many natural Aust freshwater fish types. Amazing to see the infrastructure tasks the US Army Engineers have completed.
Really cool project. I remember when it was constructed. I used to bike across the bridge (135th street) and stop and see the fish lined up in canal, not crossing the invisible line.
They’ve been found in Lake Calumet which is attached to Lake Michigan just south of Chicago, so they’ve made it past this and any other barriers and likely swimming around Lake Michigan waters
The harvesting of the carp needs to monetized and encouraged. Use them to make pet food and animal feed.
Tom has found the greatest niche. Interesting things are everywhere. I'm just glad someone interesting finds these interesting places
I have family members that are engineers with the Army Corps of Engineers, and I was able to visit certain non-sensitive research areas. You have to get clearance, and of course we weren’t allowed anywhere near any of the more high security research areas.
I live near here and have never heard of this barrier. I even worked in Romeoville this past summer.
Also the videos are short and relevant, not 10 mins + irrelevant bs
@scalpingsnake when you have over 5M subscribers trust me you can get access to most things
no. it's not interesting. who paid you.
Great job bringing more attention to this issue! As always.
It is bad. Some Idiot might see the video and decide so release the damn fish into the lakes manually. The Video has increased the risk.
Great video, very informative. I hope the carp never reach the great lakes, that would be a disaster for the native fish.
As an electrician, I imagine this would have been a very satisfying project to be part of.
I sometimes wondered how Bull sharks, who have swam up as far as Alton, Il in the Mississippi River didn't continue into the Illinois River and make it to the great lakes. Now, I know one reason.
I am a bull shark and I disagree. I currently live in Lake Ontario. I would tell you my story of how I got here but it is hard to type with fins.
It's amazing that ecological solutions tend to always lean on: "Hey. That worked" *later* "Oops"
There's something magical about reading the words "US ARMY ELECTRIC FISH BARRIER" on a GUI, and also knowing that it's powerful enough for just standing near it to be at least mildly concerning for a human.
@aceg81 I have it on good authority that it is called various colorful names :-)
@Boo Bah Trust me, there is a massive amount of wattage available at the barrier
@Ember I like how you quantify the amount of wattage 🙂.
Words I never expected to read in that combination XD
I didn't know about this thank you for sharing this. I love learning new things about this crazy state I live in. Less smog and pollution is a good thing sorry I hope it never gets shut down.
Maybe they should add a locks system where barges stop in the middle and they pulse the water in that middle zone with extra voltage a few times to make sure even smaller fish are knocked out. The locks could also double as a maintenance system, allowing them to block off the waterway entirely when the electric barrier needs to be serviced.
I had know idea these were so close to getting into the Great Lakes. I’m a Michigander, and many of my greatest memories were spent at Lake Michigan. These would be devastating to our state!
In just four months, this has become one of Tom's most popular videos. Good Job.
A barge conveyor that lifts the barges out of the water for few yards would seem to be one option. It would work in the same way that a River Rapids Car Lift works. It wouldn't slow down barges, but might not work for other sorts of watercraft.
There is no rescue plan only a recovery plan. Is what I was told if we fell into the water as a sub contractor on this project. There's so much electricity pumped into the ground that the nearby railroad track crossing would open randomly. Coolest project I've ever been on.
@HeroKiro If Chicago can't exist without a canal that poses an ongoing ecological threat (as well as a threat to human life), then it never should have been founded to begin with. It's just a city, it doesn't have an inherent right to exist like an actual person does and it'll fall someday regardless, but the potential ecological harm if those carp get through could persist far into the future.
@Argenteus Do you even know your history? That canal is the life blood of Chicago; the only reason it was ever founded was because of this canal. It goes away, Chicago will fall. You evidently don't know economy or history.
@Amplefi regular fisherman and other people in general have an interest in native waters not becoming dominated by these shitty carp. Not just industry.
@DarkCoreX Did you even watch the video? The canal is artificial, and poses a threat to ACTUAL ecosystems by potentially providing the means for invasive fish to reach the great lakes. Destroying the canal would prevent that with far greater certainty than this electrical solution, with the added benefit of preventing the loss of human life. The ONLY argument to keep the canal extant is its economic utility, but the potential to make money should never outweigh concerns of ecological damage and preventable loss of life.
@Argenteus That would ruin the ecosystems that are in the canal, you have to think about the wildlife, not just us.
Very interesting segment. I had no idea electric barrier existed.
Wow, that push-boat is the epitome of world-class naval architecture. You can tell how much effort and passion went into her timeless, refined design. Truly breathtaking, and I consider myself blessed to have even just briefly witnessed such a poignant example of fine shipbuilding.
Ae ae captain - SpongeBob square pants theme music here
ecosystem at all!
Awesome and Innovative! Love it. When you look at nature, you see that it does not like globalization. I wonder if there are parallels here we can draw to other aspects of life. Thank you for the video.
Great video! but it get me thinking if only certain transportation can pass I think there could be other (less dangerous and expensive) ways to do this, like a layer of water jets pushing to one direction, gates (like Panama canal), huge fish nets, paddle thingies pushing water, homeless people slapping back the carps, etc.
I'd gladly vote for a levy to employ homeless people slapping back the carps.
Lmaoooooo homeless people slapping back the carp 🤣
i imagine this river as a kind of urban legend shared amonst fish families,all sit around their fish table "fish dad? why dont we go past the barrier of no fish return?" "son, there was once a story of the barrier of no fish return, nobody knows if its true or not... the barrier is impossible to get past, no matter what you do, you just wake up where you started." "why does that happen? fish dad?" *fish war flashbacks*
As a habitat ecologist, I HATE those 20th century American planners for their arrogance and hubris. They introduced countless invasive species as “solutions” to solve simple problems they were too lazy to deal with responsibly. So many amazing ecosystems across America have been utterly and irrevocably destroyed because of invasive species introduced by 20th century planners. My local ecosystem here on the Texas coast is Gulf Coast Tall Grass Prairie. There used to be 6.5 million acres of it here in Texas. Now over 99.9% of that habitat is lost, thanks in no small part to invasive species such as the Chinese tallow tree and various South American grasses.
ex0duzz is right. When an invasive species is introduced, that doesn't invalidate that species. Intentional or not, we've always travelled long distances around the world and other species have followed us, sometimes in cages, sometimes of their own volition. Every species has a right to live, even the ones that destroys others by their mere existence. It's only human desires to control and create environments that are suitable for us -specifically-, that we again attempt to intervene and "fix" the problem that we introduced, again in unnatural ways. It comes from the same place in our hearts, a desire to control, which ultimately is about human survival. Your morality is the same as those you condemn, the only difference is you believe you're more effective. Which is not surprising, considering you have 100 years of knowledge and data to stand on.
@ex0duzz If that's your attitude, I trust you'll be fine with me releasing an invasive species (bengal tiger) into a new ecosystem (your bedroom)
@KiyokaMakibi The Isle of Wight isn't on the same island as England. It's a small island off the English coast.😉
@Norfolk Dragons Red squirrels still survive at Formby Point, on Anglesey, Isle of Wight and on Tresco. Introduced alien fish species such as Wels, bitterling, grass carp, goldfish and sunbleak have been around for some years in the UK, although, clearly their effects on our waters are nowhere near as devastating as those of the Asian carp in the US.
This was great, I had no idea. Thanks Tom, for finding interesting USA stuff to talk about!
I'm wondering.....wouldn't it be much cheaper for them to make layers on layers of huge mesh fences? Both above and below water in the canal so the carp can't come through? edit: I guess they need to be able to move barges through......
It seems like it is only a matter of time before enough of those fish make it past the barrier or that someone will move some of the fish past the barrier.
Even with the minor uncertainties and inconveniences around this, it's still a good thing there's actual smort people working on the problem. My solution would've involved a lot more dynamite...
I hope they have considered adding like a bubble barrier like whales use to gather fish, but not sure if Carp will avoid that.
As a person who lives 5 miles away from this I did not know this was in fact electrified. Thanks Scott!
@E. Darwin Hartshorn bros bout to hit the most devious lick
@whyisblue923taken Kinda tingly. Could be the electricity, could be the carp.
@MagicHamsta or very shocking at that
@ReallyBurntToast Everything has positive and negative consequences. Life will find a way.
As a fish in the same lake, I unfortunately know all too well as I tried going down. :(
Could just design a system with a small contained section that can fit the boats (like a lock) and the ability to pump all of the water and fish out to the carp side. Feels like pumping a bit of water out when a boat comes through might be cheaper than electrifying the water the whole time.
Not when you consider how much that would slow the barges.
What they need here is some sort of hybrid lock Falkirk Wheel type structure. Like a gondola carrying the boat with holes for draining the water and a vacuum function for sucking out fish.
This was really fascinating! Thanks! So many interesting stuff everywhere. Just need to learn about it. :)
As an American and a fan of electric barriers I can safely say…
There are carp already in Lake Ontario. And Lake Ontario is connected to the other Great Lakes. We used to catch carp all the time when I was a kid using corn.
Not asian carp. Did the ones you caught jump in the boat and smack you in the face for running your outboard?
ITS CORN
Now that's place I like to swim in...
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It had to be you
Who needs electric showers when you can have government approved electric rivers..?! 🏊🏻♂⚡
Wow, I never knew it was that serious and close to the great lakes
I did a major report on this for a senior research project for my civil and environmental engineering degree. It the carp make it into Lake Michigan it would Be absolutely an disaster and devastate the Great Lakes fisheries.
I've personally been smoked by these flying carp. They can also be introduced through bait guppies. Another tragedy has been the invasion of zebra mussels - destroying lakes and rivers, and all it takes to transmit them is putting in a boat that is still ditry/wet from the last lake you were at.
Amazing work, love the words from the engineer!!!
I remember lake ontario having a lot of big carp near the pickering power plant in the 80's, I would assume they are still there today
My dad and I canoed through a school of these on the Fox River in illinois, we were both hurt by fish jumping. They were everywhere!
@RAT Not " The " Ukraine , just Ukraine
@User User So you aren't actually in the Ukraine?
@Jason Schuler true. Especially since these fish are mud karp.
@Andrew Edward Bailey a good carp doesn't have much taste of its own, but fried they're a delicacy here in Franconia/Germany. Another variant is in a vinegar brew with onions and pepper. A Very healthy food, but I prefer the fried one with potato salad.
Wow, I never thought the dangerous flying fish in Super Mario Bros. on the NES had a real-life inspiration! 😱
I'm a bavarian recreational fisherman and carp is an expensive delicacy in Germany. This looks like carp paradise to me.
They're Asian carp. The flesh itself is ok, I hear, but there are lots of bones in the muscle tissue. So they aren't very desireable for human consumption. The whole affair of their introduction to North America and release into the wild is another reminder that Judeo-European colonization and imperialism has been a calamity for the people and land of America (in the sense of the whole landmass from Arctic to Antarctic).
Now imagine they go through this entire process to keep carp away, and then the carp learn to dig, or they grow legs, or they team up with birds to fly over it
learned more from tom than i did from 12 years in school
We used this at a water supply reservoir. The joke was turn up voltage (amps) and left fishermen in. They catch the fish, then reel them in over the power barrier. “Hook ‘em and Cook’em!”
I've just realised that behind Tom is a bird constantly taking off and landing due to the shocks
I'm loving this "Tom Scott tours the midwest" series!
I was hoping he'd head through the US Army's Carp Defense canal when I saw he was in Geneva Wi last week.
I've had multiple moments of weird deja vu as he's toured here. I'm honestly waiting to see my house at this point.
Little Tom on the Prairie...? 🤔
I was so close to him it was wild
@Khalilah D. everywhere
I've always wondered about this. Excellent video!
I would enlarge that canal and make sure it extends fully to the Mississippi. It needs to become a major trade route again. Chicago will prosper from this, and the city needs something to stimulate its economy to break the cycle of extreme crime and poverty.
Cool! But with how close it's been already, I feel like it's going to happen eventually
While this video is great- it doesn’t mention a huge issue, which is mis-identifying common carp (naturalized in the US) and Buffalo (similar to a carp, native to the US and extremely similar to carp) as the serious invasive species of silver carp or bighead carp. This has caused a witchhunt for these mostly harmless species, simply because they are carp as well. So many people will just kill any carp they come across because they think any carp is invasive, and its terrible when this occurs. In that sense, while the video is great for calling out this issue of asian carp in these waters, I think you should’ve said something specifying that there is this other issue as well, as I can guarantee that people will see this video and further be influenced to believe all carp are the issue and catch and kill them, which is just not correct. So please, on the chance that you catch a carp, please know that if its not an asian or bighead carp, there is absolutely 0 reason to kill it. In fact, its best to release them as they are incredibly fun to catch and don’t hurt the ecosystem at all!
There's no shortage of native carp
So, Fish now need to carry I.D. to swim in any water. Fish can now be pulled over just for looing like an Asian Carp. Fish profiling. Wow.
Ive worked on 3 different tests or other systems for the Corp and they didn’t go well. The only serious solution is to crank this system to 11 and fry everything moving through.
@Rainbow Flower Strangely wrap them in palm leaves (news paper) and steam them for 12 hours
@Hi45 Or find a way to feed people!
they need to stretch gill nets out and grind all the carp for fertilizer. or find a way to suck all fish from the area.
@Geopolitix That was actually the last test we did in October. The Corp used 3" pipes with .187" holes ever 2" placed perpendicular to the river flow at the head and tail of the lock. There was talk of using some thing similar to a fish tank aerator, the little stone thing on the end, but at the rate in which air would be supplied to make an effect there was a significant loss in bouncy, heading into the double digits and there was major concern when the lock is closed it would increase exponentially and causing damage to infrastructure.
Do you know if they investigated a bubble curtain at all?
Never thought Tom Scott would be visiting my town, I didn’t realize the electrified waterway was such a big deal until a bunch of videos got posted.
Neither did Bubba.
Im from Indiana so this is probably the closest to my town he'll ever be lmao
Ditto!
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@Kragith That would be a great superhero story.
I grew up swimming in the Illinois River around LaSalle County. I haven’t been back there in ages but the carp were bad even back 20 years ago.
Bruh Jackson, MS has like Flint, MI has a serious crisis. Still they have growing critical issues with access to clean water and the MS Army National Guard is currently occupying their municipal water systems to hopefully clear debris and get water to the Mississippians who have been told to shower with the toxic water with their mouths closed. They are living without clean water to wash, cook, or flush toilets.
What's odd is that I learned about this years ago, and somehow presumed I learned it from Tom. Know I'm just confused about where I heard about it before.
Idea: How about a lock where after its closed you put toxin in, keep it for a while, then filter it out again and open it on the other side? Or is it not possible to filter out toxin?
On this scale its defnitly not easy to fully filter out toxin. Even the smallest rudiments could accumulate and cause ecological damage downstream.
"Carp has drowned" - it's the quote from an old version of Dwarf Fortress Do you know that a fish can drown? I was literally amazed it happens everyday
Just stuns them. For a minute, I thought the Army Corps of Engineers had actually created the world’s largest fish fry .
@Micheli Fig Feeding that carp to the poor would be torture
Allll that money spent making 100% sure poor people go hungry
Welll It is the Midwest, after all
They already did by testing hydrogen bombs
Carp problems? Years ago I watched two guys with a flat bottom John Boat. They built an air thruster fan which used a 4hp horizontal petrol engine. Tiller steering. They had crossbows with spools of heavy test braided line. They were arrow fishing for carp in two feet of water. The air thruster was wakeless. No startled carp. In coves they shut the engine off and moved by means of a pike. In two hours they speared many nasty carp. The lake had been a sewage impoundment. No fish were suitable for consumption. However white stripers were slowly becoming more prevalent. Summer time temps, carp stay in shallows. Proper game fish go deep.
Not an expert on fishing but can carp be eaten? Or commercially fished? For fish oil or something like that? Could help with bringing numbers down? Just a thought.
This was so interesting, I did not know this was possible.
I never heard of this before now. Thanks for sharing this.
How have they not already made it to the Lakes before this was implemented?
I've actually gone hiking many times right by the Illinois and Michigan canal, sometimes starting in Romeoville, Illinois. I never knew about invasive carp or the electrification of the canal, but I will say I did consider tresspassing and swimming in the canal for fun with the ships. I'll definitely be rethinking that idea. Great video.
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Wait, so it's not obvious that it's electrified? That seems stupid.
This is just my opinion. I think this electric program is stupid. Why not build a fence or net under water at the gateway to the canal that no fish could get through. It would have to come above the water a few feet, but look at the lower cost and higher safety issues!
I mean, what's the worst thing that could happen?
@mizzouxc you silly goose
wow that's really fascinating ! Thank you, US Army Corps of Engineers !
Its the same in Australia, I went to a lake just outside Adelaide and it has nothing but carp in it, no local species.
I had to replay it a few times but I could have sworn at 1:04 he said "Human intervention causes carp."
what about small grid fence barriers? have they not ever thought of that as a boundary?
Obviously, great pains are made to negate the human interference of introducing the carp. This, too, seems like great, (costly) pains.
SImilar thing happened here in Australia in the 1930's, Sugar Cane farmers had problems with cane beetles, they decided to import the cane toad to deal with them. Unfortunately the toads were not interested in eating the beetles, and now we have plague proportions of cane toads that have decimated the native wildlife of the areas that they have invaded.
@H B They are just a plain wild breed with a brown coat
@Tanya Bhaskar poisonous frogs, not fitting in in australia? I can't believe it.
everything humans have tried have screwed things up. saw grass in oregon, walleye in washington
Love hunting Cane toads when I was a kid and then when my kids were old enough, I passed on my 9 Iron, Cricket bat and hatchet and raised another generation of Toad hunters.
We got the carp problem as well in the Murray River. They were imported and threaten the Murray Cod ecosystem.
Great work bro, You explain the whole things very Clearly, Thanks for sharing with us.
I have swam in those waters plenty of times with no issue.
when he was talking about the different defenses they were looking into i was like "well dont make it public the fish will find out" then realized im stupid